21-06-2005 07:12									#61
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Then 2 times a week or so I eat a massive amount of beef or pork...

	21-06-2005 09:44									#62
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Yeah, I'd say. 1/2 kilo of beef is a huge amount.

	21-06-2005 15:00									#63
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I'm ~6ft and 180lbs or so. I eat whatever I want and as much as I want, and never gain weight so far. I used to weight less(~160?) when I in better shape. I was in really good shape though.

Today I had -

1 cookie(200 cal?)
1 ramen noodle(400 cal?)
1 large chicken breast(600 cal?)
1 large bowl of raisin bran with %1 milk which had to be 2-3x serving size(500-700 cal?)
multiple glasses of water probably 32oz so far

I'll eat at least another 500-1000 calories today. Probably a salad and/or some fruit. One thing I am fairly good on is getting lots of fiber. I actually like foods high in fiber for some reason, they just taste better to me. I haven't kept track of what I eat, but I'd bet it averages around 3000 calories.

	21-06-2005 16:56									#64
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Never care much about it - I just eat what I like, not in excessive amounts, but I don't want that anyway. Usually I'm slightly over my normal weight during winter, and lose it again next summer.....

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	21-06-2005 19:07									#65
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Eating just one meal a day is decidedly unhealthy.

	21-06-2005 19:36									#66
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6'5" and about 220lbs. I eat between 2500 and 4500kcal a day mostly in carbs and protein. i ramp it up when training ramps up. I row for 2-3 hours a day during internse periods at what that site would call vigorous to extremely vigorous intensity. 2hrs of medium vigorous is 1700kcal, so I need to eat a shedload to maintain my weight and activity patterns.

In fact looking at that site that got linked i need to eat over 5000kcal to keep balanced if i am on my usualy training regime. I think it overestimates stuff a slight bit.

	21-06-2005 21:25									#67
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I eat a little under 2000 calories per day I think. Mostly it depends whether I have a packet of biscuits open or not...

	21-06-2005 22:02									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Yeah, I try and have a couple of bananas a day and I generally eat cereals in the morning, I never touch anything greasy as a rule...

Lay off the bananas. More than one a day is excessive. They are very high in sugar, so are therefore fattening.

A good idea is to start eating 5 times a day instead of 3, just eating much smaller amounts. The more regular eating will keep your metabolism going and provide the calories you need more evenly. It will also prevent big spikes in blood sugar.

Yesterday, I ate:

1/4 cup cottage cheese and some vegetarian sausage patties for breakfast (Gardenburger brand--yummy!) @ 7:00 AM

A hard-boiled egg @ about 9:30 AM

For lunch, a salad. But it was a largish one--lots of protein on it, and fats from the dressing (but good fats). Also fiber from broccoli and celery and other veggies. 12:30 PM

Snacked on mozzarella string cheese about 3:30 PM.

After the gym, I had dinner at about 7:00 PM. Lots of protein (turkey--my vegetarian days are over), as one should do after a workout. Also had some whole grain bread and some of that laughing cow spreadable cheese.

I'm 5'8" and 155 lbs, and definitely have decent muscle mass in the arms, chest and back. My weight has been fairly consistent for the past 4-5 years.

	22-06-2005 03:18									#69
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Also, I've gained weight. I'm now at 66kg

	22-06-2005 06:48									#70
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No one will gain weight eating Banana's only. An entire Banana maybe has 100 Calories. That's not breaking the bank.

As for 16 oz of beef (half a kilo), that's two or three day's worth of proteins.

It may sound like people have the caloric count fine, but in terms of overall balanced nutrition we have general issues.

	22-06-2005 07:57									#71
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A medium-sized banana has 25g of sugar. So 4 bananas a day would be over 100g of sugar alone.

	22-06-2005 08:24									#72
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http://www.thefruitpages.com/contents.shtml

and

http://www.thefruitpages.com/chartbananas.shtml

So yes, a Banana has 100 Calories.

That, again, won't make you fat. Even four of them in a day.

Of course, you have to watch how many other calories you will have.

	22-06-2005 09:05									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Lay off the bananas. More than one a day is excessive. They are very high in sugar, so are therefore fattening. A good idea is to start eating 5 times a day instead of 3, just eating much smaller amounts. The more regular eating will keep your metabolism going and provide the calories you need more evenly. It will also prevent big spikes in blood sugar. Yesterday, I ate: 1/4 cup cottage cheese and some vegetarian sausage patties for breakfast (Gardenburger brand--yummy!) @ 7:00 AM A hard-boiled egg @ about 9:30 AM For lunch, a salad. But it was a largish one--lots of protein on it, and fats from the dressing (but good fats). Also fiber from broccoli and celery and other veggies. 12:30 PM Snacked on mozzarella string cheese about 3:30 PM. After the gym, I had dinner at about 7:00 PM. Lots of protein (turkey--my vegetarian days are over), as one should do after a workout. Also had some whole grain bread and some of that laughing cow spreadable cheese. I'm 5'8" and 155 lbs, and definitely have decent muscle mass in the arms, chest and back. My weight has been fairly consistent for the past 4-5 years.

I'm 6' and about 190 lbs. I'd like to drop to 175-180 lbs. But I will not be following your menu. What a depressing menu! Purely utilitarian, its for people who don't like food.

	22-06-2005 09:19									#74
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GePap: The days when calories were the only consideration are long gone.

Fruits like bananas that are high in sugar but don't have fiber (like an apple) are rated high on the glycemic index. So when eaten, they cause a big spike in blood sugar levels. Such spikes wreak havoc on metabolism and prompt the body to store fat more.

That being said, they're an excellend source of potassium.

nostromo: I like food a lot. I don't feel I'm deprived.

On Saturdays, I usually do a big breakfast: 3 eggs, chicken or turkey sausage, whole wheat toast. Then I hit the gym for a couple hours. And afterwards, it's protein I need...and what better way to get a lot of protein than with a big plate of buffalo wings?

	22-06-2005 09:50									#75
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I also tried to cut down on salt. We ingest way too much salt each day, and that can cause diabetes. But salt is everywhere, and in large quantities too. I bought some low salt V8 vegetable juice. Its quite awful...

	22-06-2005 12:08									#76
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just don't eat out

restuarants drench their food in salt

a dish at a restaurant will have several times the salt of something that my mom would cook

similiarly boxed food is also high in salt

much better to cook things yourself (and I don't mean use one of the box thingys)

JM

	22-06-2005 14:42									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov That being said, they're an excellend source of potassium.

Bananas are great for hiking.

Put a bit of salt in the water, so you get potassium for the cells and sodium for your blood.

	22-06-2005 19:04									#78
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Try some asian style food, meat combined with vegetables, i found that it's very easy to put on weight living in australia, because the food here lack of fresh vegetables very much!! and the fruit are so expensive in comparison to junk food such as chocolate and potato chips .. btw, i think that man are allowed to have a little bit overweight .. too skinny is not very healthy either

	22-06-2005 19:50									#79
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It's not healthy for women to be too skinny either.

	22-06-2005 22:34									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller just don't eat out restuarants drench their food in salt a dish at a restaurant will have several times the salt of something that my mom would cook similiarly boxed food is also high in salt much better to cook things yourself (and I don't mean use one of the box thingys) JM

I rarely eat out. But I'm lazy: I don't like to cook very much, so it has to be kept very simple.

	22-06-2005 23:44									#81
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quote: 1/4 cup cottage cheese and some vegetarian sausage patties for breakfast

I enjoy food. I think I'd rather knock decades off my life than eat filth like this

	23-06-2005 00:14									#82
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The point is nort what you eat, but how much. That's were control is necessary.

A couple of eggs fried in olive oil, a couple of pieces of whole wheat toast and some fruit makes a great, healthy breakfast.

As for the Banana Issue- so what if your body prepares to store more fat? If you diet is relatively low in fat, and you use enough calories sop that fat stored is fat used Banana's won't make you fat.

	23-06-2005 00:15									#83
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Precisely, that is my point...if you get plenty of exercise you can get away with eating nice food

	23-06-2005 00:16									#84
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here's to bananas

	23-06-2005 00:25									#85
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I eat a lot of bananas, and I don't think 100kcal is a lot to worry about...you need energy after all

	23-06-2005 00:30									#86
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The issue isn't "plenty of exercise," though. Most people don't have the time or wherewithal to exercise as much as someone like lightblue, so they can't maintain large-calorie diets no matter what.

And it's not just the number of calories--that's old, out-of-date FDA food pyramid stuff. It's a combo of three factors: quantity of food, what one eat's, and how one eats. These are all important factors in a diet.

If you're diet consists of high-glycemic food, you will get fat. If you consume the same amount of calories of low-glycemic foods, you will see better results. This has been verified in studies of high-protein, low-carb diets like Atkins and South Beach. These studies have found--much against what they expected to find--that people on such diets can eat more calories per day and still lose weight. They also, more surprisingly, lowered their blood pressure and bad cholesterol levels. Now, there are other problems with Atkins (die, kidneys, die!), but SB seems (so far) to be quite healthy and sensible.

Bananas are great for energy if you're going to be working out and for potassium. But one a day is plenty. Eating 4 is bound to be a problem in a balanced diet.

	23-06-2005 02:36									#87
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The problem is that there doesn't seem to be much consensus among scientists (and not all of them are scientists, some of them are quacks trying to sell their so-called diets) on these issues. I don't even know if there's consensus on why we become fat in the first place. There are two hypotheses that I know of: the two-much-calories hypothesis and the two-much-carbs hypothesis. The two-much-carbs hypothesis seems more plausible than the other one, but is it true? I couldn't say. They're all contradicting each other.

Reminds me of the Seinfeld joke. If cars needed as much maintenance as human bodies, would you buy them? I dont' think so.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Now, there are other problems with Atkins (die, kidneys, die!), but SB seems (so far) to be quite healthy and sensible.

What's wrong with the Atkins diet? Why its no good for the kidneys?

	23-06-2005 03:02									#89
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Too much protein puts a lot of strain on your kidneys, and a lot of people use Atkins to eat a load of protein and not eat a balanced diet.

As for the amount of exercise i do, yes I don't think many people can invest the time, though most club level rowers for example will go out at 5.30-6ish for an hour/hour and a half and maybe go to the gym 3-4 evenings. I guess it depends if you want to spend your free time staying fit and healthy and creatinga good group of friends, or hang in front of the computer/TV

	23-06-2005 03:03									#90
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Hang in front of the computer/TV...going out to row at that time is utterly ridiculous...