20-06-2005 08:36									#1
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Some backstory.

Back in January of this year I found out I was about 56 lb's overweight. I decided to start an excercise program to lose weight. I did not think to go on a diet because I did not consider my diet too terrible (no obvious binges on high calorie foods). Well, after 4 months of regular excecise, I lost 10 lbs, but I did that in the first 1.5 months. I had been in a plateau for the last 2.5 months.

Then I read a book about serving sizes, comparing what you are supposed to eat to what you really eat. Its amazing.

Well,seeing my method was not working as I wanted, I began to eat according to the guidelines of this book. In two weeks I have lost an extra 6lbs, and hope to continue.


So, to the point: Do you really know just how much you eat, compared to what a 2000-2500 Calorie diet really looks like?

Did you know that a 14 oz Steak is double one entire days recommended meat servings?

Of that a large bagel is more than half one day's serving of grains?

So, just how many calories do you really think you eat, specially if you live in the US?

	20-06-2005 08:38									#2
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I have no idea, but I eat alot.


And what's the book?

	20-06-2005 09:14									#3
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****, you only live once. Why spend your few years on this planet denying yourself the pleasures of life?

	20-06-2005 09:38									#4
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**** no, Korean food is damn healthy I can eat as much as I want and have the occasional bit of fatty **** and not gain anything as long as I get a little exercise (daily sit-ups/leg lifts/push ups are working fine for now)...

	20-06-2005 09:51									#5
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I had a similiar problem because I had bad eatting habits. Up until I was 25 I was really active and no matter how much I eat I still stayed around 180 (I'm 6'1"). After college I got a real job so I had less time to hike, run, go to the gym, etc plus I finally had money to spend so I was eatting out all the time. It didn't help I moved to a new city for work were I didn't know anyone (at first) so I ended up going out to bars a lot in order to find something to do and talk to people.

It added up and by 27 I'd porked up to 230lbs though I'm now down to 210. I'd like to drop another 20 so I can be back where the height to weight graphs say I should be but I doubt I'll ever be 180 or 170 again. That would be techniquely underweight though so that isn't a problem. The first 25 years sure were nice since I ate anything I wanted and never gained weight but they weren't very good training for real life.

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	20-06-2005 14:27									#6
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Why spend your few years on this planet denying yourself the pleasures of life?

And suffer all those disorders that are associated with overeating?

	20-06-2005 14:34									#7
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Never care much about it - I just eat what I like, not in excessive amounts, but I don't want that anyway. Usually I'm slightly over my normal weight during winter, and lose it again next summer.....

	20-06-2005 14:46									#8
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I did some calculations on it last winter, and came to the conclusion that I ate 2500-3000 kcal per day. Probably a little less now - I don't get as hungy in summer.

I never exercise and am thin enough (6'2", 155lbs) that people regularly comment.

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Yeah, you are skinny.

You must have got parasites or something.

	20-06-2005 14:57									#10
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6'2" 155 would be seriously under weight. Are you sure you have the conversions correct? Ideal weight for a medium build man of that height would be 185-195 so if you are 155 then you are 30-40 pound underweight and should look like a person who just got out of a concentration camp.

	20-06-2005 15:06									#11
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6'2" 155 lbs = 1.88m 70kg = BMI 19.8 = about lower end of the "ideal" range

I'm thin, but not extremely so.

	20-06-2005 15:09									#12
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I eat relatively healthy stuff, with occasional naughty snacks. 6'1" 190lbs

	20-06-2005 16:23									#13
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Age makes a difference. Until a few years ago I could eat pretty much what I wanted and it was a struggle to gain any weight. That's changed in the last few years.

I stopped eating meat (but not fish) about 3 years ago because I was having problems with all the stuff they inject into the animals. I recently stopped with potatoes and potato products because they started to make me feel unwell. So my diet is pretty healthy - fish, vegetables, rice and pasta and not large portions either.

However my weight has gone up about 10lbs since moving to Ireland despite starting a light weights routine 3 times a week and more cycling, walking and tennis. I weigh about 220lbs and am 6'6" tall. That's OK according to the BMI scale but I know I look a bit flabby and I should not with the amount of excercise I'm getting.

The problem seems to be partly fluid retention rather than fat so I've had to make some more diet changes and we'll see what happens (more green tea, less coffee and cutting out a few other things).

Sometimes it's not just how much you eat but what you eat.

Having said that I'm not cutting out alcohol (since I drink less than the weekly recommended limits anyway)

	20-06-2005 16:29									#14
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT ****, you only live once. Why spend your few years on this planet denying yourself the pleasures of life?

Because people who are uncontrollably self-indulgent are invariably sociopaths?

	20-06-2005 17:09									#15
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Yes. I eat between 1800 and 2000 calories a day on average.

When I was a teenager I used to average 3500 a day.

5'11 160 lbs

	20-06-2005 17:28									#16
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according to this site: http://www.caloriesperhour.com/index_burn.html

for a 24 year old, male, who is 5'11" and 200 lb

Totals: 2,910 calories in 24 hr


Male 24, 5'11", 200 lb: BMI=27.9 BMR=2,053 MR=1,919
Sitting - quietly (e.g., watching TV)
590 calories in 6 hr 30 min
Jogging - general
476 calories in 45 min
Eating - sitting
102 calories in 45 min
Computer Work (typing) 1,089 calories in 8 hr
Sleeping
653 calories in 8 hr

so I assume this means that for a healthy male of my weight, if you want to stay at your weight.. you eat close to 3k calories if you engage in light exercise...

someone who was muscular could very easily be 200 lb and not be overweight...

so I think ~2k is on the short side for many people (to maintain)

check it out, for 1.8k calories

Female 24, 5'7", 120 lb: BMI=18.8 BMR=1,378 RMR=1,327
Computer Work (typing)
653 calories in 8 hr
Eating - standing
82 calories in 45 min
Jogging - general
286 calories in 45 min
Sleeping
392 calories in 8 hr
Sitting - quietly (e.g., watching TV)
354 calories in 6 hr 30 min

so basically, unless you want to weigh 120 lb, if you are healthy you should be eating more then 1.8 calories

JM

	20-06-2005 17:34									#17
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I am always surprised about how much calories some things are..

a bag of chips is generally ~800 calories

a small thing of ice cream (like Ben and Jerries) is ~1k...

those things are both very easy to eat all of, and are a lot of calories (And don't fill you up)

JM

	20-06-2005 17:44									#18
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I eat loads.

Two bowls of cereal this morning, 8 slices of bread and butter for lunch already today.

BMI scale has me at 'pre-obese' which is a joke considering Ive really only got the start of a little tummy.

6'5'' 225 pounds. Pre-obese

	20-06-2005 19:28									#19
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I eat quite a bit, when I can. When I'm not working, I generally drop to one or two meals a day, though. When I was on Atkins, I was eating all the time, and still losing weight. It's the best diet ever but it's so expensive.

	20-06-2005 19:35									#20
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I have 28ish BMI. 195 cm, 110 kg.

It adds gravitas when I have to shout at people

	20-06-2005 19:40									#21
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What are BMR and RMR?

	20-06-2005 21:11									#22
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Let me state, HOW MUCH you eat is more important than WHAT you eat.

I am not denying myself anything. But I have to limit how much of it I eat. There is a difference.

Eating out is probably the worst, given the giant portion inflation in foods. Just look at McDonalds for example- the "small fries" were once the only size they had, and was so for about a decade or more. Today they give those only to kids.

All food containers are getting bigger and bigger. No duh people are getting fatter.

	20-06-2005 21:16									#23
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Let me state, HOW MUCH you eat is more important than WHAT you eat. I am not denying myself anything. But I have to limit how much of it I eat. There is a difference. Eating out is probably the worst, given the giant portion inflation in foods. Just look at McDonalds for example- the "small fries" were once the only size they had, and was so for about a decade or more. Today they give those only to kids. All food containers are getting bigger and bigger. No duh people are getting fatter.

I agree. Portion sizes are too large, and its not just a US problem either. Its the same way in Canada.

	20-06-2005 21:17									#24
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Some backstory. Back in January of this year I found out I was about 56 lb's overweight. I decided to start an excercise program to lose weight. I did not think to go on a diet because I did not consider my diet too terrible (no obvious binges on high calorie foods). Well, after 4 months of regular excecise, I lost 10 lbs, but I did that in the first 1.5 months. I had been in a plateau for the last 2.5 months. Then I read a book about serving sizes, comparing what you are supposed to eat to what you really eat. Its amazing. Well,seeing my method was not working as I wanted, I began to eat according to the guidelines of this book. In two weeks I have lost an extra 6lbs, and hope to continue. So, to the point: Do you really know just how much you eat, compared to what a 2000-2500 Calorie diet really looks like? Did you know that a 14 oz Steak is double one entire days recommended meat servings? Of that a large bagel is more than half one day's serving of grains? So, just how many calories do you really think you eat, specially if you live in the US?

Well it would be a rare occasion for me to eat a 14oz steak, that is huge...I am having a 9 or 10oz one this evening...but that is a rare treat...

I do admit that my portions are larger than those generally recommended though, although saying that I very rarely snack now...except for bananas and carrots which is OK. I am trying to get myself swimming again, despite some recent abortive attempts. As long as I get exercise my weight is relatively easy to control...

	20-06-2005 21:29									#25
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I think most Americans at least are horribly deficient in fiber intake because they don;t eat enough fruits and vegetables and whole grains.

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Yeah, I try and have a couple of bananas a day and I generally eat cereals in the morning, I never touch anything greasy as a rule...

	20-06-2005 21:55									#27
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Jogging and swimming are the way to go. I used to do both regularly now I just jug semi-regularly but jogging for an hour burns 500-800 cals depending upon your size and road conditions (i.e. hilly or flat) while swimming in 65 degree water for 1 hour burns around 1200 cals. Doing that is like halfing what you eat in terms of balance of energy.

It's much easier to just skip desert or that beer and then go for an hour long jog 4 times per week then anything else.

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Yeah, I used to go swimming for about an hour or so every other day...

	20-06-2005 22:20									#29
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# BMR stands for Basal Metabolic Rate, and is synonymous with Basal Energy Expenditure or BEE. BMR measurements are typically taken in a darkened room upon waking after 8 hours of sleep; 12 hours of fasting to ensure that the digestive system is inactive; and with the subject resting in a supine or reclining position.

# RMR stands for Resting Metabolic Rate, and is synonymous with Resting Energy Expenditure or REE. RMR measurements are typically taken under less restricted conditions than BMR, and do not require that the subject spend the night sleeping in the test facility prior to testing.

from the site

JM

	20-06-2005 22:23									#30
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The Harris-Benedict equation for BMR (technically RMR):

* For men: (13.75 x w) + (5.0 x h) - (6.76 x a) + 66

* For women: (9.56 x w) + (1.85 x h) - (4.68 x a) + 655

The Mufflin equation for RMR:

* For men: (10 x w) + (6.25 x h) - (5 x a) + 5

* For women: (10 x w) + (6.25 x h) - (5 x a) - 161

w=weight in kg
h=height in cm
a=age

it will be different for people of different metabolisms.. of course

what your metabolism is is actually really complicated

JM