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Provost Harrison is offline Provost Harrison
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, especially if you are speaking in the aesthetical sense. Their ethics might be less than questionable, but it never bothered us calling other ways of life "cultures".


They have no defining characteristics apart from their stupidity and their "fashion sense". If you think there is some kind of culture, you are sadly mistaken.

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and can you tell me that all chavs ( you know, people who fit the visual stereotype) are troublecausing, no good, etc. etc.?


Ask my mother who is a teaching assistant! I don't think they are anywhere near a majority but they are noticed, and they cause disruption and trouble for others.

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look the same? like black, or something?


Erm, I have mentioned absolutely nothing to do with colour. It's about their behaviour, demeanour and antisocial nature, ie, yobs.

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You don't have to be an ethnical minority to be targetted by police because of your looks.

Truth is, that both chavs and their equivalents from other countries and ethnicities are on in the majority of the cases non-criminal people that live in a bad subculture.

And, again, as far as cultures go, chavism is hardly the worst of them.


On the contrary, there is institutionalised racism but these little sh*ts are just troublecausers and are very hard to touch by the authorities...and therein lies the problem. And the knowledge that your tax money will be going to support them for the rest of their damn lives as they have nothing to put back into society...

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Truth is, that both chavs and their equivalents from other countries and ethnicities are on in the majority of the cases non-criminal people that live in a bad subculture.

And, again, as far as cultures go, chavism is hardly the worst of them.


Chavs are not an ethnicity, they aren't even a class in the classic sense of wealth. A lot of their gear is very expensive, a lot of it is poor quality rip off-tat. They are heavily into branding, and Burberry to name one is not cheap.

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And again, please explicit your statement


-It appears that they are not ethnically based, i.e. there are asian and black chavs as well.
-They like to party - and in most cases, they are not violent about it.
-They are relatively not sexist.

If you give me a couple of minutes I can churn out a list of well known and 'honoured' cultures and subcultures that are inferior to them due to this.

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To be fair, I know a few "chavs" in this town who are generally nice people who, for what ever reason, left education. They, like lots of chavs, drink and do drugs and act tough because they've got little else. No education (and I've heard quite a few of them regret their decision to leave at 16) and not prospects beyond low level office/manual work...

Because I know them, they never put on the tough front around me. It's sad to know that in 10 years, I'll have my degree or more and good career prospects. They'll still be in this town.

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Chavs are the lowest rung of British society. They wear sports gear and especially baseball caps.

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Chavs are not an ethnicity, they aren't even a class in the classic sense of wealth. A lot of their gear is very expensive, a lot of it is poor quality rip off-tat. They are heavily into branding, and Burberry to name one is not cheap.


There is more than ethnicity and class dividing people into social groups. And even snapcase can quote me on this one.

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Btw, the russian version. All Russians, ex-soviets, and many Israelis should understand.

Some of them are scum. most are not.

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the hat, the horrible horrible hats!

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-It appears that they are not ethnically based, i.e. there are asian and black chavs as well.

It is my understanding that chavs of different ethnicities generally do not mix.

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They somehow remind me of people I hanged out with in my teens. Only poorer. The "I'm stoned and bored" look is exactly the same though

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They have no redeeming features whatsoever...


They breed like its going out of style and at ever younger ages. As socially undesirable as that is it is likely better in the long run then the no breeding punters the Italians and Swedes have become.

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Swedes? We've got a very respectable birthrate compared to much of Europe. We're not anywhere close Italy's level.

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They somehow remind me of people I hanged out with in my teens. Only poorer. The "I'm stoned and bored" look is exactly the same though


That was the russian version, mind you. Mostly ok people, and don't do drugs. These are in their mid 20s, as you can see, and mostly in Russia, they either become decent people, or turn to crime.

The real chavs, the brit chavs:

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Chav porn is becoming popular in some circles of gay culture. That terrifies me.

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I've just discovered this the hard way, Starchild, while trying to picgoogle in response to Boshko's claim.

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How do you identify a Chav without the clothes?

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will probably sport a relatively short haircut, plus general attitude and behavior....

wait, you're asking this for the gay porn?

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Chavs, Neds, Townies,...

Aha!

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too obvious.

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Chickenly

Plastique _WRITES "Dewsbury. A happy little town with only few Chavs (because you can't get behind the McDonalds), where normal people hail. However, it has a village. A sick, twisted little brother if you will. The little town of Chickenly.

Chickenly was once a peaceful farming hamlet, where children played and fed the horses. However, the evil Kirklees Empire took control of this peaceful hamlet, and built a big council estate all over it. The farms were long forgotten, and Chickenly is now one big council estate.

There is no escape from it. Chickenly, now a village, is all council estate, and all of the farms now simply surround it, the beautiful views of the remaining farmland wasted on the freeloading estaters, as usual.

Chickenly is as bad as it gets. The minute you drive in, there are gangs of 5-year-olds, playing football in the middle of the road, pissing on the street and giving you dirty looks, each with over 20 siblings, and the customary 'gobby' council estate Chav Mum, too lazy to work, so claims off the council while she stays at home breeding.

There are the other usual things, wild rotweiler dogs freely roaming the streets. The dog problem is terrible. A Dewsbury newspaper once told a story of a cat literally ripped in two by two greyhounds.

Strangley enough, the Chavs don't go anywhere near the park. Instead, they terrorize the old people and bus stops. There are nothing but Chavs here. Walking the streets alone at night would guarantee you would get attacked.

There are syringes on every back alley, alcohol bottles all over the place. The local pubs are full of Chavs who are completely obviously nowhere near 18 years old.

You have the usual gangs of teenage Chavs, and their 5-year-old little minions, who spit at you and swear at you, and if you say the slightest thing back or even look at them, they tell their 'protectors' to 'deck you in'.

However, all this is nothing compared to the very bottom of the giant council estate. Right at the bottom are the dreaded TIN HOUSES! The cheapest of the cheap, where fat Chav mums sit out front in their bikinis, a fag in one hand, a alcohol bottle in the other, and the skinny little Chav husband, wearing an England top from donkey ages.

The Chavs who live in the tin houses are twice as bad as the ones who originate from the red bricks. They are, in some way, at war with each other. Scruffy, unkept young children running around pantsless in the streets. There is **** all over the place, not just of dog, but of human.

None of the people in Chickenly, except the senior citizens who simply get terrorized, would do anything for the country. They wouldn't put a penny towards it. Except, they sit on their fat arses crashing into each other and getting rich from whiplash claims, and benefit fraud.

In Chickenly, the Chavs aren't civilized whatsoever. It is like going back to Prehistoric Times in the Chav World. You'll see no fake Burberry or Fred Perry here, this is the real deal. Caps off, skinheads showing, usually topless (both Chavs and Chavettes), ****-ging in peoples' gardens. Any Chavs from the outside world coming to Chickenly would be considered snobbish bastards, who can afford fake gold and Vauxhall Novas, and even the 'proper baaaad spoiler on't back'.

Driving into Chickenly will get you funny looks from every direction. If you are Asian, do not go into Chickenly, you'll get eaten. Don't touch the slide in the park, it will be covered in Chav cu-m. In fact, don't go near Chickenly. Drop a bomb on it, and hope that all the Chavs are executed."

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will probably sport a relatively short haircut, plus general attitude and behavior....

wait, you're asking this for the gay porn?
Purely out of scientific interest.

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I'm not sure why the UK builds council estates which end up just being big centers of crime and violence. Instead the more modern approach in the rest of the world is to require each development to set aside one or two apartments for low income housing and then have the government provide some sort of direct payment assistance to the owner. The benifit is one neighborhood doesn't get turned into a war zone by a massive influx of scum and instead the bad apples are spread out all over the place so they never reach the critical density to ruin a city.

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Purely out of scientific interest.

I'll ask the same for SCIENCE!

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How do you identify a Chav without the clothes?


Lanky builds, dodgy tattoos, and keeping their bling/trainer socks/burberry caps on during sex.

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Chavs are not an ethnicity, they aren't even a class in the classic sense of wealth. A lot of their gear is very expensive, a lot of it is poor quality rip off-tat. They are heavily into branding, and Burberry to name one is not cheap.


fake burberry on the other hand is very reasonably priced

boshko's claims are rubbish btw az.

i don't really know why people are getting so excited about 'chavs'. rude, mouthy kids who cause a bit of trouble are hardly a new phenomenon.

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I'm not sure why the UK builds council estates which end up just being big centers of crime and violence. Instead the more modern approach in the rest of the world is to require each development to set aside one or two apartments for low income housing and then have the government provide some sort of direct payment assistance to the owner. The benifit is one neighborhood doesn't get turned into a war zone by a massive influx of scum and instead the bad apples are spread out all over the place so they never reach the critical density to ruin a city.


Short sighted planning and an almost Victorian indifference from the middle/upper classes to the difficulties faced by anyone else.

I know a lot of the new developments around here mix incomes like you suggest and I've actually heard people muttering about why they should risk having their property investments being dragged down....

*sigh*

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I'm the evil clone of an evil scientist. Of course I'm always curious. For SCIENCE!

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Explain to me what is a 'Chav'


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That#s the most convincing anti-Chav argument I've ever read I hate their guts already

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Cool word.

 
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