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floppy_lobster is offline floppy_lobster
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Explain to me what is a 'Chav' Suffering from ads?

So im watching this documentry about english youth who have no sense of cultural identity. And they go on and on about how millions of kids 11-30 years old have adopted the culture of 'chavs'. Kind like a lifeless bum. The documentary went on in detail about the problem of these 'chavs'. Saying they run around and are known to slap people and rob them at random. And people, even the cops are afraid of these dudes.

They seem alot like our WWR's. ****a's, Wiggers, and Ricers but ill hold judgement. Cause the WWR's are the biggest ****in pussies of the crowd.

One series had the guy with the camera getting mugged by like 30 of them.


What the **** is a chav? And why o why are they seemingly above the law in the UK and is it a big of a problem as the documentary made it out to be?


ps. UK get your **** straight. First this, now crazy frog.

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I love it when settlers pass cultural judgement on my nation based on a documentry they say, once, on some network somewhere.

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i think schav is the goopy stuff that comes with gefilte fish.

Nah, it seems to be a soup made from sorrel leaves.

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floppy_lobster...

Tone down the language... The owners consider this a family site and have the censors turned on for that reason... If you continue to rant and rave like your first post, you will get restricted.

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It's a Nietzschean thing. Chavs win their clashes not because they are in a good strategic position, but because they think they have already won. To defeat Chavism, we must demoralize Chavs themselves.

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Whacking them in the head every couple of days should do the trick.

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Let's call the Chavalry.

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Saying they run around and are known to slap people and rob them at random. And people, even the cops are afraid of these dudes.


The police certainly are not afraid of them, they are more likely afraid of them crying to their grandmommies about police brutality. These kids are lippy braggarts into petty vandalism. Their bark is worse than their bite.

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Well said

Though with the recent reports on Happy Slapping, I'd have to also conclude that there is something rotten in - this time not - Denmark.

The chav thing OTOH is pretty common in all countries... the idols have shifted for a growing minority, gangsta's teh k3w1!

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Young British people with no deference to traditional authority who nevertheless try to "live large" in the same way that American blacks have been doing for a couple of decades. The differences aren't that great. The US has a problem with racism and Britain has a problem with social class.

There's a fair degree of irony in the fact that the tabloid papers that are promoting the hysteria about chavs are largely read by, and in accordance with the values of chavs.

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Chavs, Neds, Townies, Kevs, Charvers, Steeks, Spides, Bazzas, Yarcos, Ratboys, Kappa Slappers, Skangers, Scutters, Janners, Stigs, Scallies, Hood Rats, whatever you know them as, this site is about them, Britains peasant underclass that are taking over our towns and cities!


http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

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this site is about them, Britains peasant underclass that are taking over our towns and cities!


yup, just as I thought, most 'anti-chav' social commentary comes from deep-rooted feelings of social superiority, and general ****er snobbery which is one can expect to be rampant in a country with such a rich class-division country such as great britain.

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Actually it comes from something else.

For example, an incident not too long ago: A group of some 30 chavs were fighting on my front lawn, smashing windows, trying to kick down front doors etc. All after crashing a party at a neighbour's house (which just so happens to be rented bt the Grenadan High Commissioner to London).

If you met these people you would understand the dislike for them.

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this hardly proves anything. Some of them are violent, sure, but this doesn't have to speak of all of them. Most remarks about them certainly aren't concern of them harming anyone but nothing more than mean-spirited, holier-than-thou, petty/wannabe-borgoise snobbery.

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this site is about them, Britains peasant underclass that are taking over our towns and cities!


yup, just as I thought, most 'anti-chav' social commentary comes from deep-rooted feelings of social superiority, and general ****er snobbery which is one can expect to be rampant in a country with such a rich class-division country such as great britain.


That may be a factor, but I think the main thing driving the anti-chav sentiment is that the whole "chav movement" is based on being an annoying ***** / drunkard.


Then again, that's the norm in Britain.

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Az, and you make your opinion based on a single website?

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Az: don't you think that anti-social behaviour can be a cultural gimmick of a specific counter-culture?

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Then again, that's the norm in Britain.


Infact, I can't think of a country that celebrates drunken idiocy more than britain - Chavs should be right at home.

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You forget Finland.

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Az, and you make your opinion based on a single website?


I treat www.chavscum.co.uk as it should be treated: an example of the prevailing sentiment against these people in the UK. I've seen these remarks made by Britons here on the boards, and they pretty much form a straight line with the website. That's all I am saying.

Obviously things like happy slapping etc. are despicable - and it actually shows the things that are wrong with this subculture ( that it doesn't stop it but promote it ) - but most claims are basically rubbish.

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Az: don't you think that anti-social behaviour can be a cultural gimmick of a specific counter-culture?


yeah, well, to be honest, most counter-cultures, or even subcultures have that as a gimmick. The chavs won't be the first or the last. It seems that their norms and values as a subculture beat many other subcultures or cultural ghettos.

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I wouldn't even bother calling it a subculture because there is no culture involved other than emulating their mates with their gawdy sportswear and their 'bling bling'. We are not talking about all youths but a particular subsection of them who are troublecausing, no good little wretches...why is it, time and time again, that these kids who cause the problem all look the damn same? And why do all these people who look the damn same always seem to be trouble?

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yeah, well, to be honest, most counter-cultures, or even subcultures have that as a gimmick. The chavs won't be the first or the last. It seems that their norms and values as a subculture beat many other subcultures or cultural ghettos.

I don't know them enough. Could you explain me what these more positive values are? Thanks

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They have no redeeming features whatsoever...

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Chavs or charvs as they're called in newcastle are the biggest pain in the arse since that bull in the reasons to stay sober thread.
Its a growing discontent at having little to do (because they're generally too fat or with tarred up lungs to do anything requiring effort) and needing an identity so they join every other clone on the street corner.
God i'm 21, had my fun rough days getting into fights at school and generally being the teachers anti-christ but i drew the line waaaayyy before going out and actually mugging pensioners, developing drug habits/smoking/drinking and having sex at the age of 12. What the hell is wrong with just playing football ?

One of the more annoying things about them is that our damn liberal society totally panders to them, oh you can't call them thugs, they've had troubled childhoods. Don't call police, get social services to take them on holiday. They've torched your car ? tough they're too young to jail. State benefits for having no job, a drug habit and 4 kids by the age of 17 etc etc Urgh it all adds up to putting their confidence and arrogance through the roof. Then you know for a fact that even when they're half your height and threatening you with their usual "hoow man u beta giz a tab or ill knife ya" when you've told them you don't smoke as soon as he/she (yes the girls are just as bad, i've had no qualms about hitting a few because i really don't see any difference between them and the boys bar 2 balls and a penis) starts hitting you and you've no choice to hit them back then you're the one in trouble because of their age, despite the fact they're so fat they're usually bigger then you!
Even the kids i grew up friends with who joined in with this fashion seem to have went from actually being able to count to the biggest idiots about, their only real use is the fact you can mock their stupidity and if somebody threatens you they'll jump in and have an arguement on the other kids level ie, consisting of swearing every 1.5 words.


Charv = Waste of space

Rant over. Ideal job = Vigilante / Dictator , i'd clear the mess up.

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I wouldn't even bother calling it a subculture because there is no culture involved other than emulating their mates with their gawdy sportswear and their 'bling bling'.


, especially if you are speaking in the aesthetical sense. Their ethics might be less than questionable, but it never bothered us calling other ways of life "cultures".

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We are not talking about all youths but a particular subsection of them who are troublecausing, no good little wretches...


and can you tell me that all chavs ( you know, people who fit the visual stereotype) are troublecausing, no good, etc. etc.?

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.why is it, time and time again, that these kids who cause the problem all look the damn same?

look the same? like black, or something?

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And why do all these people who look the damn same always seem to be trouble?

repeat former.

You don't have to be an ethnical minority to be targetted by police because of your looks.

Truth is, that both chavs and their equivalents from other countries and ethnicities are on in the majority of the cases non-criminal people that live in a bad subculture.

And, again, as far as cultures go, chavism is hardly the worst of them.

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And, again, as far as cultures go, chavism is hardly the worst of them.

And again, please explicit your statement

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and can you tell me that all chavs ( you know, people who fit the visual stereotype) are troublecausing, no good, etc. etc.?


Majority yes. There a few charvs who aren't violent, but things like low IQ and lack of identity are almost total across the board. I hate statements like this aswell, it's so blindingly obvious that 100% of them aren't, just like not all nazis were evil, but everyone (ok not TOTALLY everyone) agrees that overall the regime was evil.

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Chavs, Neds, Townies, Kevs, Charvers, Steeks, Spides, Bazzas, Yarcos, Ratboys, Kappa Slappers, Skangers, Scutters, Janners, Stigs, Scallies, Hood Rats, whatever you know them as, this site is about them, Britains peasant underclass that are taking over our towns and cities!


http://www.chavscum.co.uk/


Gary-boys 'round these parts. That's one word for them I haven't encountered in any other part of the country.

 
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