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1. Why is it that theres a majority in the Galactic Senate to vote out Chancellor Valorem, but not to send relief to Naboo??
2. Speaking of which, Chancellor VALOREM is imposing TRADE TAXES. I mean, bad pun city, you know?
3. Doesnt Sen. Palpatine look uncannily like Sen. Joe Leiberman? Has this been noted?
4. The TF has a legal right to blockade planets over disputes? This is one helluva Republic, no?
5. So like Jedi knights dont carry even small change in alternate currencies with them, even when traveling near the outer rim? Like "be prepared" isnt part of the Jedi code, is it?
6. Pretty decent looking house for a slave quarters, huh?
7. So tatooine is a small poor outpost, but has huge stadium for pod races. what gives?
8. Do pod races HAVE to be this long? Or is that a way of punishing the slaves?
9. So the Gung gung have a massive, sparkling underwater city, and the surface folks still despise them for backwardness? Oh, its secret. So they like hide all their tech and civ, and they wonder why the Naboo think theyre backward?
10. So charming, sophisticated Sen Palapatine, when hes being Sidious, hangs out with Darth Maul. Like do they talk strategy over coffee??
11. why harvest moisture on a desert planet? Why not, you know, import it? If you cant, why settle the planet at all? Does like Tattoine produce anything it actually has a comparative advantage in? Other than long lost Jedi, that is? I mean Coruscant is a planet thats all city, so must import all food, and in massive amounts - so transport must be very efficient, no?
12 - so did like a spirit appear to Shmi and tell her what was going on when she became preggers? Or did she just shrug, and say, oh well, stuff like this just happens, even to good girls?

	22-06-2005 02:51									#2
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quote: 7. So tatooine is a small poor outpost, but has huge stadium for pod races. what gives?

Brazil is very poor and yet has the biggest football stadiums in the world. Poor countries often put a lot of effort into sports.

	22-06-2005 03:35									#3
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Where did LOTM copy and paste those questions from, I wonder...

6. Rich slave-owner.
7. That isn't a stadium I don't think. The race just goes across deserted areas of the planet
8. See also: Formula One.
9. What we have here... is a failure to communicate.
10. Strategy is probably discussed by holovid, while Sidious is doing his "you shall not know my true identity" thing.
11. Everyone knows that desert planets have Spice.
12. In Ep3 it is mentioned by Sidious that a powerful Sith (his former master, Darth Plagueis) was able to use the Force to literally create life. Although the matter is left deliberately mysterious, the two explanations which Lucas gives are 1) The Force creates Anakin as an effect of its imbalance- like Force homeostasis, or 2) Plagueis or Sidious were able to use the dark side of the Force to intentionally create Anakin to train up as a powerful Sith. Either way, Schmi would not have known the reason.

	22-06-2005 03:40									#4
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Number three has been noted.

http://www.geocities.com/robertwgar.../palpatine.html

	22-06-2005 04:04									#5
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quote: 11. why harvest moisture on a desert planet? Why not, you know, import it? If you cant, why settle the planet at all? Does like Tattoine produce anything it actually has a comparative advantage in? Other than long lost Jedi, that is? I mean Coruscant is a planet thats all city, so must import all food, and in massive amounts - so transport must be very efficient, no?

Maybe Corustant grows its food from yeast, like Trantor (in the later books - in the original triology, it's IIRC implied they import it all).

	22-06-2005 04:05									#6
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark 11. why harvest moisture on a desert planet? Why not, you know, import it? If you cant, why settle the planet at all? Does like Tattoine produce anything it actually has a comparative advantage in? Other than long lost Jedi, that is? I mean Coruscant is a planet thats all city, so must import all food, and in massive amounts - so transport must be very efficient, no?

No. Coruscant is the capital of the galaxy. Therefore it receives tons of Republic money, kinda like DC, enough to import food.

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Why do people settle in arctic and desert areas of this planet ?

	22-06-2005 04:14									#8
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Why do people settle in arctic and desert areas of this planet ?

Because it's the only planet we have?

	22-06-2005 04:26									#9
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Off the track yet related to SW. Earlier I was at a bookstore and read last chapter of Return of the Jedi section in that SW Triology book. According to the reading, Anakin was Darth Vader for 20 years (some line referring to his skin not seeing sun for 2 decades) and he was described as an old man.

So how old was Anakin when he was physically transformed into the dude we affectively know as Darth Vader? Also Obi-Wan didn't seem that old in ROTS yet less than 20 years later in New Hope he's an old fart.

Also Luke would be in his middle teens at the best by the time he met up with Han Solo and the rest.

Wondering whether if a mistake was made here.

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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear Because it's the only planet we have?

Don't think so. The populations of those areas could easily move to more pleasant parts of the planet. My guess that if there are a void some people would be attracted to fill it out and the same would go for tatooine. Especially since tatooine seems to be a place of extreme freedom - that could attract certain people like Ned.

	22-06-2005 04:41									#11
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark 6. Pretty decent looking house for a slave quarters, huh?

In ancient Greek society, some slaves were actually fairly well off even given their status of not being free. So why do you think this could not be possible in a Star Wars movie?

	22-06-2005 04:50									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Off the track yet related to SW. Earlier I was at a bookstore and read last chapter of Return of the Jedi section in that SW Triology book. According to the reading, Anakin was Darth Vader for 20 years (some line referring to his skin not seeing sun for 2 decades) and he was described as an old man. So how old was Anakin when he was physically transformed into the dude we affectively know as Darth Vader? Also Obi-Wan didn't seem that old in ROTS yet less than 20 years later in New Hope he's an old fart. Also Luke would be in his middle teens at the best by the time he met up with Han Solo and the rest. Wondering whether if a mistake was made here.

He became Vader at roughly 22, and died at 45. Luke is ~19, Kenobi is ~57, and Vader is ~41 at the beginning of the original trilogy.

Kenobi aged quite a bit in the 19 years between the two trilogies, but not so much that it's a continuity problem. There are many continuity problems, even if you only accept the movies as canon, but the ages aren't one of them.

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The Chancellor's name is actually Valorum, but I suppose you can still see the ad valorem connection there.

	22-06-2005 05:29									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker No. Coruscant is the capital of the galaxy. Therefore it receives tons of Republic money, kinda like DC, enough to import food.

How big is Coruscant? If you assume its population density is the same as that of Manhattan, and you assume it's roughly the size of Earth, you get about 15 trillion. I think it's probably higher, though.

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Pop density same as manhattan? Gotta be way higher, since you don't see the bottoms of the buildings.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Pop density same as manhattan? Gotta be way higher, since you don't see the bottoms of the buildings.

It's also possible that some of the poor peope live underground, like in the underground of Taris.

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Well, we always see the most "downtown" areas of Coruscant. I'd assume that the Senate and the Jedi Temple and such are near the largest buildings.

I say it's a population of 10 trillion minimum, and several quadrillian at the maximum.

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From the pictures of space and everything written about it, the entire planet is just like that.

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	22-06-2005 06:06									#20
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According to the KOTOR game, Tatooine was originally a mining colony, but was not very successful. So those who settled there took up moisture farming, and it became a haven for outlaws thanks to its remote location at the edge of th galaxy.

The population of Coruscant is, ulitmately, impossible to determine, due to the existence of an undocumented populace in the lowest levels of the city. But according to wiki:

quote: The population is variously stated as 176 billion, 1 trillion, or 1 quadrillion. The smaller figures are illogical, but more often stated. However, the G-canon source, Inside the Worlds of Episode I states that Coruscant has a population of 1 trillion. Film estimates based on the apparent depth of the cityscape and its literally globe-spanning extent suggest a population density that, applied over the entire surface area of Coruscant would suggest a population probably in the several quadrillion (1e16-1e15) range and certainly no less than several hundred trillions (1e15-1e14). These estimates have been performed by Star Wars fan scholar Curtis Saxton, and other technical-minded fans on many separate occasions. It remains to be seen if later generations of official publications will reflect figures similar to those presented by the scale of Coruscant in the movies.

	22-06-2005 06:09									#21
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1 trillion or less is ridiculous. There are probably a couple million people in any given shot of Coruscant from the movies.

	22-06-2005 06:42									#22
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In some of the expanded universe books Tatooine was supposedly dominated by the Hutt and used for smuggling prior to the empire.


How could a desert planet evolve an atmosphere capable of supporting large animal life? The activity of microbes within the oceans of our water covered planet required billions of years to evolve an atmosphere capable of supporting the current types of aquatic and terrestrial animals.

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	22-06-2005 07:12									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar 1 trillion or less is ridiculous. There are probably a couple million people in any given shot of Coruscant from the movies.

And why would we not assume vast parts of that City space are needed for life support? (vast air conditioting, food distribution, waste management certainly) then more space for transportation and storage, then some more for industry, then more for common spaces, like parks, and to finish it off, why do we assume people there would not live in vast, spacious apartments?

In the Asimov series, Trantor was a global City with a population of 40 Billion.

1 trillion? thinks of the heat polution form what would be needed to maintain them.

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quote: It was the worms, Dr. Strangelove.

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	22-06-2005 07:14									#26
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Also, keep in mind that, given the technology, it is very possible that oxygen was created when humans arrived on the planet...

It is possible (although unlikely) that microbes came from another planet due to an asteroid or meteor...

Or, while it is a stretch, animals very easily could have been brought to the planet as "livestock" to create food for large metropolises like Coruscant...

Although, I will say, some of the shots in the Star Wars movie show lots of areas simply with waste or industry or smokey smokestacks...IIRC in episode 1 (maybe 2) there is a time where you actually see the desert ground of Coruscant...

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Do the math. Coruscant is at least as dense in population as Manhattan. The buildings are about five times higher, so that's an extremely conservative estimate. If the city is as densely populated as Manhattan, there are at least 10 trillion people there.

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And on what exactly do you base your statement that any square mile of Corusant is as densely populated as Manhattan, first of all? Why would you assume that your average Corusant citizen lives in equally small spaces?

Second, the biggest buildings in Manhattan are not residential. Go to Midtown at night, and the population density is very small.

And, given that Corrusant is an entire planet City, one must assume that the life control aspect of everyday life that Planet earth so conviniently does for us for free must be run in Corrusant, like air quality, specially if those buildings are so high they need to be pressurized in their higher floors.

That takes space.

And how much space in those huge buildings is taken up simply by safety, plumbing, elevators (which are tyhe single largest limit on actuasl building height), so forth and so on?

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What GePap is saying though is that Manhattan can be Manhattan because of the surrounding countryside. When there's no countryside (no trees, no animals, etc), something has to replace it in order to support all those people. For example, as already been mentioned you have a HUGE oxygen/carbon dioxide issue when you have no trees.

Me, I counted 98,434,993,452 people - but I blinked a couple of times and might've missed 250,000,000 or so.

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Er... whatever.