25-06-2005 00:39									#1
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Does anyone know if Civ4 will also include the 'real world' globe? I always preferred the world maps to the generated ones...

	25-06-2005 03:06									#2
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I don't know if one will come out of the box, but since Civ4 is supposed to have powerful modding tools, you will probably have fanmade ones in a few days after release

	25-06-2005 04:47									#3
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	25-06-2005 07:46									#4
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One of the beta testers will probably post an Earth map the day before the game is released.

	25-06-2005 09:21									#5
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I'll hold out for the master - El Mency.

	25-06-2005 14:07									#6
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I am always surprised to see how someone is able to make such good earth maps. It is beyond me in any case :-)

	25-06-2005 14:49									#7
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Letīs hope that the large world maps will also be playable, that really wasnīt the case with CivIII if you hadnīt got a super-ultra-mega-computer... I wanna play with _lots_ of civs on a huge world map!

	25-06-2005 15:42									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Flanker Letīs hope that the large world maps will also be playable, that really wasnīt the case with CivIII if you hadnīt got a super-ultra-mega-computer... I wanna play with _lots_ of civs on a huge world map!

Given that Civ4 has less civs and smaller maps than Civ3, this will likely not be the case.

	25-06-2005 15:53									#9
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It was said that standard games and maps are smaller, but I thought that the 'supersize me' option would be, with or without support, there for those who wanted.

	25-06-2005 16:34									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin It was said that standard games and maps are smaller, but I thought that the 'supersize me' option would be, with or without support, there for those who wanted.

Yes, but it not being "official" implies that the game is unable to run well with large maps (otherwise, why would they leave it out as a standard choice?) and that the game mechanics where not designed with large maps in mind.

	25-06-2005 17:14									#11
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I see it as a disclaimer - It may work fine, its just a way of avoiding extra work if it doesn't run to spec.

	25-06-2005 17:43									#12
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Yes, which is basically what I'm saying... you shouldn't expect to it to play any better than Civ3 in this regard. And, if anything, should expect it to be worse since they've toned down the scale to avoid the "extra work" of geting large maps to run to spec.

	26-06-2005 19:35									#13
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No Civ game withut an Earth map, not Civ1, not Civ2 not Civ3.

	26-06-2005 23:49									#14
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Yes, and both civ 2 and civ 3 had user generated earth maps that were more realistic than the built in ones.

If Marla's still around, I've love to see her Civ 4 earth map based on her Civ 3 earth map.

	27-06-2005 00:46									#15
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Marla's not played civ in a long time, last I heard.

I'm hoping CivIV will allow ultra-tiny maps, so that I can make a CivIV version of Hexette.

	27-06-2005 07:23									#16
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Yes, and both civ 2 and civ 3 had user generated earth maps that were more realistic than the built in ones. If Marla's still around, I've love to see her Civ 4 earth map based on her Civ 3 earth map.

I spotted her on a Sim City message board about a year ago. I complemented her on her world map, and she said thanks. I felt like I had spoken with a celebrity.
i think it was www.simtropolis.com

	27-06-2005 07:34									#17
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Marla Singer stops by the CFC chatroom from time to time. I believe I last saw her there about a month ago.

	27-06-2005 08:43									#18
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I'll be making my 'New Look at the World' maps but plan on making them more advanced, and I have collected new 'view' ideas as well that I'm going to develop.

The Civ3 types were ... (so long ago)

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=34852

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=35380

I do, however, plan on making more graphic mods for this game than before ... done school, got tons more time now.

Cheers!

	27-06-2005 10:19									#19
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Aside from the Earth Map, is there going to be any other map or scenario in the release?

Dale

	27-06-2005 20:51									#20
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well, nothing has been mentioned about other maps or scenarios so far... I think they'll be included in expansions.

	27-06-2005 21:17									#21
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I thought it was mentioned that he game will be shipped with some scenario's included.

	06-07-2005 19:52									#22
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Yes, and both civ 2 and civ 3 had user generated earth maps that were more realistic than the built in ones.

That was specifically made to enjoy new and interesting home-made maps. I would want to have better tools for creating maps instead of better maps. Anyway, I will always want to have my own one.

And when it comes to tools, we need

1) Limitless number of terrains (20 at least) to have reasonable terrain accuracy.

2) Some stuff around the poles, which is called ice and icebergs. It is possible to make them in civ2, but only as immovable units. I want movable units, which get melted, if they move south. I want real ice and icebergs. And it is not that difficult to make them.

And that is almost it.

3) Nice to have would be a globe to play (no flat maps), but this is more of a challenge to programmers, than a need of me as a player.

	06-07-2005 20:00									#23
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all this modability concerns me...

	07-07-2005 08:29									#24
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Too much of a good thing?

	07-07-2005 19:44									#25
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Given that Civ4 has less civs and smaller maps than Civ3, this will likely not be the case.

So?

Just mod what sizes you want your map to be. For instance, if you don't like the numbered size for a large map in Civ 4, then change the numbers to increase what the size of a large map will be, to your liking.


Honestly, a lot of people are talking about things in Civ 4 as if they're forgetting the modding powers that they will have with this next title.

	07-07-2005 20:36									#26
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So? Just mod what sizes you want your map to be. For instance, if you don't like the numbered size for a large map in Civ 4, then change the numbers to increase what the size of a large map will be, to your liking.

His concern was the playability of the game when using large maps. Since the "official" map sizes are smaller than they where in civ3, it's logical to assume that the game's capability of handling large maps is either no better than or worse than Civ3.

Outside of the purely technical concerns of how the game runs large maps, it can also mean that the game mechanics where designed with smaller maps in mind, which may make playing on large maps less fun, or require extensive modding and a reworking of the entire ruleset.

	08-07-2005 00:17									#27
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Nah, i believe big custom maps will be a reality. If the AI can handle playing a 64x64 map and also a 128X128, it can addapt to bigger maps.

	08-07-2005 01:55									#28
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I believe the problem would be the time it takes for the AI to do the pathfinding. The larger the maps the more calculations it needs to do, and I don't know many people who would want to wait 15 minutes each turn just for the AI to finish it's calculations

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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I believe the problem would be the time it takes for the AI to do the pathfinding. The larger the maps the more calculations it needs to do, and I don't know many people who would want to wait 15 minutes each turn just for the AI to finish it's calculations

Yes... that's exactly what I've been trying to say.


Civ3 is already poor when it comes to wait times, and civ4 seems like it will either be no better or worse in this regard since the standard map sizes have been reduced.

	08-07-2005 03:28									#30
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I bet Soren has improved the pathfinding algorithm.