29-06-2005 04:36									#1
	Battle report ... where do we go from here? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

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Well? Aside from them having IMO fairly good luck again - sigh - at least they lost a fair bit. They seem to have about 27 hitpoints of immortals there, which equates to 7 full immortals essentially. Not sure we can take that out, but I am not good at reading BR's like that so we'll have to see what we have there ...

The good thing IMO is that this must be the sum total of their immortal force, and our forces in the area are probably enough to tie them down for the moment.

My (not-seeing-the-save-)ideas:
1) Fortify the stack in place may be a good idea, for ONE turn, to force them to hold their units there one more turn (for BoH's sake).
2) Realize that we're going to have to use a chivalrous army to beat them
3) Continue the expansion, and aggresively go after chivalry, putting us in a position to mass-build Riders once we get it.

Not sure if BoH is still willing to attack - I hope they are, but I feel a Ljube-retreat coming on That's why I'm tempted to leave the stack, fortified, in place (assuming we have the units I think we do). I'm not sure they'll get as good luck this time around, and it might be enough to hold DR in place long enough for the assault on Antioch... a city defended at the moment by, at most, a couple of spearmen IMO ... I think we should push them to attack, and do it now, at Antioch; if we cut off Iron now, DR can't rebuild their strength, and we can bide our time until Chivalry...

	29-06-2005 16:18									#2
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I say press on

Let us finish what we started

Unless all Allies bail

	29-06-2005 19:08									#3
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Paddy has confirmed that they will continue to press the attack, as per his email a day earlier. I think BoH will defeat antioch, easily...

	30-06-2005 03:29									#4
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Might as well....though I think we better go back to building some military again soon.

	30-06-2005 07:22									#5
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Yep.

I've been playing a SP game, as my MP games aren't loading properly (possibly disk problems?). Playing on a similar world, with the same civs (but no start bonus or anything) ... just finished mopping the egyptians up with trebuchets/cannons and MI's. That arty stuff really works wonders on offense ...

Sadly, I didn't have horses prior to this, and managed to have literally half of the pangea to myself (basically 2 large continents joined at the top with a small peninsula, and all 5 other civs are on the slightly larger but not by much western half). Thus I couldn't play with archer rushes or even build a single rider [got my GA, and Cavalry, prior to horses]

Anywho, I think we should wait until we have riders to build more military. Our problem has consistently been that DR picks us off before we can get there to attack ...

I suggest that we build a city in the proposed location near the horses, to gain the horse tile, and also to have a better military staging area - then road it appropriately so that we can better attack DR (faster). Not looking at the save, I'm just guessing, but I think we can get to Invictus or the Capital (whatever it's called) within 2 turns from there with riders ... and when chivalry comes, we turn back over from growth to hardcore war, and hit them with all we have. Until then, we can sit back and grow, keeping enough of a force to protect the homeland ...

	30-06-2005 16:19									#6
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I agree with Snoopy's main thoughts. I think BOH and Babylon will be able to hurt DR quite a bit. Especially taking down Antioch, as we all understand. This seems to be quite vital for us and for that reason I have started to look for an option to aid.

We have 100+ gold, which is sufficient to pay (part) of the costs for an investigate city = Antioch. I'll have a chat with Paddy on sharing the costs on such a recon mission, to be carried out by either Babs or AM.

I'll also ask Paddy (again) if he can see to it that we get the deal going with Babs considering their free tech.

For now he's already promised me currency is on it's way, this or next turn.

So much for diplo. I'll have a look at our remaining forces when I open the save. I'm thinking of either retreating a bit and recover there, or if we have some reasonable forces either attack or fortify. Those immortals are most vulnerable in defense and if we can knock off a few more, it'll be well worth it. Let the others smash DR as we return home (if we still can) afterwards and agressively grow and build up untill we're able to show the world the might of the riders, as Snoopy mentioned. In those building years we have to decide on where those riders will have to go. I sincerely hope DR will be finished off in the meantime.
I'm also giving it a thought to retreat a bit now, recover and send in a big chunk of our remaining troops. We can trust BOH and DR won't come out with the pressure on them atm...

	30-06-2005 20:04									#7
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The free tech deal, as far as I understand, has gone through and just needs the techs to be sent. Beta a while back sent me an email saying they agreed to it. You might want to double check with Kloreep and Micha and Beta again just to be sure. (Paddy isn't actually involved in it, as far as I know, directly ... ) I'd suggest sending the techs-accepted, and then when the save is sent on, ask Paddy to include a note along with the save that "don't forget the deal Euphorica made for your free tech, the techs to you are included, please remember to send-accepted it back for them" just so they remember.

Otherwise, sounds good

	30-06-2005 22:43									#8
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I opened it but didn't move anything.

We have 3 swords men all at 2/x (1 elite), and 2 horsemen at full strength. That's all that's left of the stack.

At least 1 spearman 4/4 is at Invictus/Mount Massacre.

I suggest pulling back one and holding there if possible without being threatened. Unless we need to stay there a turn to protect BoH? But, our 5/5 horseman is currently the lead defender ...

We could send 5 swordsmen at them, if we wanted to, in addition to these 3 - but that would empty our homeland, and I don't like that.

We're also "weak" to both DR and BoH, avg to the others...

	30-06-2005 23:28									#9
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I just played the save... missed out on your comments, but retreated just as well. I moved several swordsmen towards Nirvana. If we get to feudalism fast (free tech) I suggest we upgrade (180 gold atm) and than move in on DR again. I don't care about the empty homelands. As long as BOH is keeping them DR's busy.

	01-07-2005 02:22									#10
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Hopefully BoH will send on currency this turn ...

	01-07-2005 08:22									#11
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Sadly, they won't be ... Paddy informed me that he was a turn off, and it won't be until 1275 bc...

	02-07-2005 01:30									#12
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I hve not recieved a game save since 6/24?...

Who can I contact to start getting them again?

Can we afford to have a settler build a fortress in our foward area, for our forces to retreat into?, for safe healing