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Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:20
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When did Canadian churches receive their tax-exempt status?
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Kontiki
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Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:20
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Just wondering how completely absurd Wezil's analogy with cigarettes was. I know it's out there, but I just wanted to see how far.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:20
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...ing-050124.html
Right, Boris. Paranoid I am, when there is this case that is already being fought! The bill, as worded, provides no protection to religious institutions who do not want to affirm gay marriage. |
A private club of Catholic men is not a religious institution. It's just a club.
Whether a private club should have the right to discriminate against people is a Charter of Rights question and doesn't have anything to do with the same sex marriage bill that was passed.
And the courts have ruled that the Charter's protection of freedom of religion means that churches have a right to discriminate against same sex marriages.
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Aug 2001
time: 22:20
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Granted. When the ruling goes against the lesbians, and upholds the freedom of association of the Knights, then I won't worry. While the case is at hand, I am hardly paranoid to be concerned about the progress of the suit. |
Surely you should be familiar with Delwin Vriend.
You are right that discrimination based on sexual orientation for a wide variety of issues has been banned in Canada, but that happened a long time before this bill.
You should be happy that the Supreme Court has said it will uphold the individual rights of conscience of the clergy. No one, and no church, will be forced to perform a ceremony.
Venture into the marketplace by renting facilities to the public, OTOH, and you will be required to pay lip service, at least, to human rights.
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:20
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You should be happy that the Supreme Court has said it will uphold the individual rights of conscience of the clergy. No one, and no church, will be forced to perform a ceremony.
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It's a red herring? Well, saying that gay marriage is a human rights issue is seen as a red herring. It assumes, that people are born gay, and that they cannot choose to change.
I would be happy if I could trust the courts, but I trust them as far as I could throw them to stand up for the rights of religous folks.
Now, as for the Knights, they have started to investigate how their halls are being used, and they have started to put them under much more scrutiny then previous. The concept being that the hall is part of a Catholic organisation, and should only be used for functions that support the mission of the Knights. The halls are not open to the public, everyone who wishes to use them faces the same test.
I don't see why the Knights should be required to lease their halls, to those who wish to use them for purposes contrary to the mission of the Knights.
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:20
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
It's a red herring? Well, saying that gay marriage is a human rights issue is seen as a red herring. It assumes, that people are born gay, and that they cannot choose to change. |
It is the law of the land. You may not like it, but we have a Constitution, a Charter of Rights, and courts charged with overseeing them. This is how we govern ourselves, finding it preferable to the rule of mobs, or worse.
The state of being gay was already protected by prior court rulings
Gay marriage was already legal in seven or eight provinces due to court rulings.
Parliament has merely given the rubber stamp to what the courts have been telling us all for over ten years.
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I would be happy if I could trust the courts, but I trust them as far as I could throw them to stand up for the rights of religous folks. |
It won't be just you standing up should things go haywire. Many of the same people who could not abide shunting Asher off as some kind of second class citizen will be standing right beside you if your rights are being infringed.
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Now, as for the Knights, they have started to investigate how their halls are being used, and they have started to put them under much more scrutiny then previous. The concept being that the hall is part of a Catholic organisation, and should only be used for functions that support the mission of the Knights. The halls are not open to the public, everyone who wishes to use them faces the same test.
I don't see why the Knights should be required to lease their halls, to those who wish to use them for purposes contrary to the mission of the Knights. |
Now you reach hairy ground.
If the hall is available to be leased by the public, but they choose to exclude asian people from renting, would you not see a problem?
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