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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001 time: 05:21
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I mostly ment the kiwi supporters. I think the players are professional and good enough not to get over confident. Even if they did, they'll probably do so one match and then realise they shouldn't.
quote: I also got the impression that straightness of the throw in the line out is this years big IRB instruction to referees? |
If you're trying to scare me, it's useless. We rarely get real referees at the level I play. The coach of either side is often what we have to do away with. I even refereed a few times, but my captain doesn't like me to tell him "10 metres", so they look for other people now. Plus they need a hooker.
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970 time: 06:21
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quote: Originally posted by Havak
Calling it a rush defence really isn’t fair anymore as it implies they start from an onside position – and they most certainly do not. Why are there officials on the line in the first place if they never call this? |
I wonder the same thing. But it's tough, crowding and aggressive defence that has caught out the ABs in the past. It's the Wallaby specialty, only starting from an onside position. For the most part.
quote: It’s a good result for the tournament I suspect – even if not a popular one with the Kiwi boys. I have a feeling it could be home wins all round again. |
I think you could be right.
quote: I think we did say a while back that it was time Freddie made the break through his potential has been suggesting he could? |
Good to see him rising to the occasion. He's the real deal. And he's pretty much carrying England at the moment, with bat and ball.
quote: Did you catch much of it Finbar? It might not have been the best technical game of cricket but by crikey it was the most enthralling test match I have ever seen I think. Warne’s ball that took Strauss in the second innings – I have just never seen the like of it. Freddie’s first over on Saturday was also quite amazing.
Just a shame it had to end in controversy with a wrong decision. Although had England lost it would have been fatal for the series of course.
G Jones has got to go – not performing with the bat or the gloves. And Bell is not convincing either. Neither is the skipper of course. For the Aussies the top order need to get in the nets – and someone needs to give Warne a course in spatial awareness!! |
I listened to a lot of it via Radio 5 through the computer. We're playing carelessly, ending up with backs against the wall and fighting back. They're at half ratpower at the moment. This result could be the kick in the a*se they need. With sufficient runs on the board, England are always going to struggle against Warne. The occasional ball aside, he has lost a lot of his variety after his injuries and operations. For the most part, he thinks them out these days.
Flintoff is carrying England. Harmison and Jones aren't consistent enough. They can be dangerous, but fall away. OTOH, Gillespie seems to have lost it, and Kasprowiscz has forgotten how to bowl. I'm sure we'll see Shaun Tait in the next Test. Very quick, a slinging action not unlike Jeff Thompson's of years ago, very strong. We might also even see Stuart MacGill in tandem with Warne.
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001 time: 05:21
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quote: Naturally I disagree with you about the scrum - only UK sides know how this set piece should work properly and England are the purest practitioners of this cunning art of course. |
Naturally, I disagree too. Only latins know what a real scrum is. Argentinans are not that bad, but a bit iited as they tend to rely only on pure strength. But then many of them play in the French championship, where they learn the most arcane arts of the mélée. We called that 'la soule' long before the Brits thought of writing down laws. (For those who don't know, the Soule is the same as rugby but without laws - just put a ball in the middle of the village, have each half of the village try to bring it to the other end of the town and behold).
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ravagon
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Sep 1999 time: 13:21
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Yes, the Italians play soccer.
quote: Originally posted by Havak
Okay you will think this is bait though I am quite serious - do you think the tri-nations would be more exciting if it adopted a 6N model where you face the challenge of rotating home and away fixtures (it would probably require expanding and letting in Argentina/P. islanders)?
Frankly it is rather boring when the sides win their home games and take the title on points. Unless anyone can argue last seasons tournament was a classic (and equally so if it is decided the same way this year)? |
I'm not sure that the absence of your 'safety net' home games would really prove anything to be honest. Afterall, if England had away games against, for example, France and Ireland and lost them both, while winning their others, whereas France had all of their tough games at home and away games against Italy and Scotland, hence ended up winning the 6N, would you still consider it a 'fair' contest?
Perhaps 'balanced' would be a better term ...
Additionally, if the PI's were to be included there is also the matter of gate takings to take into account. Crowds in NZ/Aus/RSA/Arg shouldn't be a problem but the SH second string teams come from much lower populated areas, unlike in the NH's Scotland/Italy.
That said though I would be much in favour of including those other nations in an expanded competition of some sort.
quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare
We called that 'la soule' long before the Brits thought of writing down laws. (For those who don't know, the Soule is the same as rugby but without laws - just put a ball in the middle of the village, have each half of the village try to bring it to the other end of the town and behold). |
Sounds like a game they used to play in South Africa before they had laws over there. I think they might've called it rugby. 
[Edit: Update on Dan Carter. BBC is reporting that he's out for 3 months with something broken. ]
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970 time: 06:21
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon
Yes, the Italians play soccer.
I'm not sure that the absence of your 'safety net' home games would really prove anything to be honest. Afterall, if England had away games against, for example, France and Ireland and lost them both, while winning their others, whereas France had all of their tough games at home and away games against Italy and Scotland, hence ended up winning the 6N, would you still consider it a 'fair' contest?
Perhaps 'balanced' would be a better term ...
Additionally, if the PI's were to be included there is also the matter of gate takings to take into account. Crowds in NZ/Aus/RSA/Arg shouldn't be a problem but the SH second string teams come from much lower populated areas, unlike in the NH's Scotland/Italy.
That said though I would be much in favour of including those other nations in an expanded competition of some sort.
Sounds like a game they used to play in South Africa before they had laws over there. I think they might've called it rugby. 
[Edit: Update on Dan Carter. BBC is reporting that he's out for 3 months with something broken. ] |
Bone in his leg. And soft tissue damage.
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970 time: 06:21
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quote: Originally posted by Havak
Still? What an escape. I cannot remember any other time when an Aussie team needed a huge slice of good fortune against England – nor any other time when they celebrated a draw so wildly. Advantage back to the Aussies perhaps – but they simply are not playing like the number one team in the world right now so an England win at Trent Bridge would not surprise me as much as it might have after Lords. |
The Australians are batting and fielding badly; bowling, on the whole, quite well, though Gillespie has, unfortunately, been a liability. It's been interesting observing all the hysteria in both the English and Australian press. The reality is that the Australians are underperforming in two vital areas, while England probably can't do a lot better with the team they have. Yet it's a tied series, England were smashed in the first Test and won the second very narrowly. The third Test? The reality is that roughly half of England's first innings runs were gifted. Vaughan and Trescothick, who contributed 225+ to the total, both should have been out - Vaughan a number of times - with roughly 200 fewer runs on the board. The weather saved Australia? Dropped catches and a no ball saved England's first innings from relative medicority. Yes, bad fielding is bad cricket and all that, but there are realities and there are appearances.
I have no idea whether the Australians can lift their game. If Ponting has any say, they might. But after the hysteria associated with this Test - the crowd, the media, et al - I shudder to think what will happen if Australia goes on to win the series. I don't know whether the crowds and the media will settle for "Well, we gave them a fight".
quote: I simply don’t see any way in the longer term that the tri-nations will be allowed to remain a closed shop. I strongly suspect that within a few years it will see Argentina included at the very least – and if it does grow the two game format may have to change by necessity? |
Whether the T-N remains a closed shop is just about entirely up to the broadcast rights holder. Regardless of what any or all of the rugby controlling bodies want, if the rights holder won't come at it, it won't happen. If there were more than one potential rights holder in the marketplace, it might be a different matter.
quote: Bad news. Pretty much takes him out the autumn tour I suspect? |
Yep.
quote: Great game last weekend by the way – the Aussies looked like they were doing a job but the All Blacks were patient and juts a little bit too good for the Aussie youngsters in the final reckoning.
And the Wallabies are going to remain in trouble as long as Dunning is in the squad. Dunning an international front row? I don’t think so – lack of depth is finally finding the Aussies out here? |
Eddie likes Dunning. I've seen him do good work in S12 but I simply haven't seen him at Test level. And, as you know, lack of depth has been finding out the Wallaby front row for the last five or so years. They survive on cunning.
Eddie is struggling to field a team for this week against the Boks. No Mortlock, no Latham, no Paul, question marks over Rogers, Flatley, Turinui. Tuquiri could finish up in the centres. I'm not sure who the third-choice #10 is, but if Flatley isn't right, whomever it is will get to face the Boks.
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