04-07-2005 09:38									#91
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Or Marx?

	04-07-2005 09:43									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse As Shakespeare put it so well for you, and Agathon and UR and Provost and all the other flat earth small minded atheists

Shakespeare, that is, not Horsie.

Now let me find what Bill said about Quantum Physics...

	04-07-2005 09:45									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Odin BULL!

You don't need to get upset, that's standard religionist response #1 - "psychoanalyse" you.

Tell you that you are unhappy, hollow inside, and all other sorts of silliness. As if he knows you really well.

	04-07-2005 10:33									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger So, why YHWH? Why not Odin, Ra, Zeus, Brahma, Umguf the invisible Purple with Pink Polka Dots Unicorn, the Giant Banana, etc?

BOW DOWN BEFORE ME, YOU MERE MORTALS!

	04-07-2005 14:48									#95
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Heretic! We worship the here.

	04-07-2005 18:55									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Not believing is the default state. It requires no leap of faith to not believe in something.

It's a leap of faith to keep believing something too. Being the default is irrelevent.

	04-07-2005 19:04									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse scientology is a cult imo.

As was Christianity to the Jews and Romans- just like Mithraism and the worship of Cybele or Serapis.

Hinduism tried to explain Buddha away as being just another avatar of Vishnu, and also tried to get Sikhs 'back' into the Hindu fold in the late 19th Century.

	04-07-2005 19:19									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Heretic! We worship the here.

I thought that was a sexual preferrence?

	04-07-2005 21:29									#99
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I found a thing growing on my back

	04-07-2005 21:40									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I found a thing growing on my back

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quote: For instance, to say that Chrisitianity is the one and only religion on the planet despite, say, Hinduism being an established religion with millions of followers, wouldn't that be conceived as arrogance?

Well, why join a religion unless you believe it to be more true than the others? It's not arrogance, rather sincerity. The folks who believe all religions are the same, are most likely not to belong to any of them.

quote: My point is that if all religions preach peace and civility towards one another, isn't that what the Creator intended?

Indeed. One of the things I find particularly outstanding about Christianity, is how explicitly, we are called to love those who do not love us.

	04-07-2005 22:41									#102
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quote: The implication of the serpent's lie is that God jealously guards His wisdom and doesn't want anybody to grow and learn. No surprise, that is exactly what atheists and assorted God-haters think the passage means.

Truth be told, if God wanted to keep us from knowing something, he could. 'the glory of God, to conceal a matter, to reveal a matter, the glory of kings.' The fact that he permits us to uncover so much about him, and his creation, is a blessing.

	04-07-2005 23:51									#103
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	05-07-2005 02:48									#104
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Look in a mirror?

	05-07-2005 03:01									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I found a thing growing on my back

You have to believe in God, skin cancer being what it is down here

	05-07-2005 03:23									#106
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	05-07-2005 03:26									#107
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OH MY GOD HE'S RIGHT!

I'll be frank with you, Kuci. You're the most brilliant tactical genius in the fleet.

	05-07-2005 03:27									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse but for you atheist and other unbeliever types its like life has passed you by, you never got it, couldn't decipher the code of life, see what was staring you in the face.

Nah. We just don't need any self-delusion in order to be happy.

	05-07-2005 03:29									#109
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We also don't feel a need to kill others b/c they don't worship the same fantasy creature.

	05-07-2005 04:28									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Indeed. One of the things I find particularly outstanding about Christianity, is how explicitly, we are called to love those who do not love us.

The irony is absolutely, well, I have no words to express it.

	05-07-2005 05:31									#111
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Not irony, Spiffy, the word is hypocrisy.

	05-07-2005 05:34									#112
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Sincere hypocrisy is ironic.

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	05-07-2005 07:47									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious It's a leap of faith to keep believing something too. Being the default is irrelevent.

You don't need to maintain a nonbelief. It's just there. That's why it is the default.

You are perfectly right that beliefs require maintaining, but that has nothing to do with my point.

	05-07-2005 16:27									#117
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The crux for me is that as a species, we evolved with religon helping us through most of that process. Look around the world today, see all the remarkable(and mostly religious) things that our anscestors have left behind them. A huge effort of work for something an atheist will not be able to comprehend.

The belief that man has had in these religions over the millenia has led us to where we are today. The non believer is a very recent part of the human condition, and for many people it will take more time before we can be comfortable with the notion.

we are just evolved monkeys, with our animalism just a few scrapes from the surface. Religion could be said to be a big part of what has made us human?

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	05-07-2005 17:42									#118
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor A huge effort of work for something an atheist will not be able to comprehend.

Good point that - what did atheists ever build? Marxism. Stalinism. Nazism. Fascism.

	05-07-2005 17:55									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Good point that - what did atheists ever build? Marxism. Stalinism. Nazism. Fascism.

Oooooo...now that's a fine troll.

	05-07-2005 20:10									#120
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quote: The irony is absolutely, well, I have no words to express it.

Sometimes I need to be reminded on occasion.