10-07-2005 10:47									#1
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I started playing PokerRoom again a couple days ago. Tonight, I entered the 30+3 $50,000 guaranteed tournament.


From about the 1.5 hour mark to about the 4 hour mark, I was the chip leader. I was just brutalizing people, well on my way to the $12,000 top prize.

Then, when there were about 60 players left (out of 770), I suffered my first major defeat. I got the #4 chip guy to go all in against me; I had pocket 8s with 4, 4, 6 on the board. He had pocket 10s. As a result, my chips were cut by about 2/3, and it was downhill from there.

I managed to hold out until 30th place, when I went all in pre-flop with A-10 suited, and ran into A-J. Won a solid $275. But, dizzamn, I was oh so ****ing close to getting some serious money...

	10-07-2005 10:48									#2
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Congrats on the $275!

Unless, of course, you paid $500 to enter.

	10-07-2005 10:50									#3
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Since I started playing again, I'm up about $400 overall.


No, only $33.

Ahhh, memories...

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	10-07-2005 10:54									#4
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Didn't even see KH's poker thread... oops.

	10-07-2005 11:06									#5
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Suckah.

good going though. can't stand rebuys, personally

	10-07-2005 11:07									#6
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don't play the guaranteeds for that reason.

	10-07-2005 11:11									#7
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I'm not a fan of rebuys, either. But I was doing so well in the $50 sit and gos, I figured it was worth the lark. Turned out it was, and was almost ridiculously worth it.

	10-07-2005 11:12									#8
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I'm slumming it in the 20$ SNGs



It's almost ridiculously easy. Plus my bankroll is only at 400$ right now (withdrew money not too long ago)

	10-07-2005 11:14									#9
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30$ starts to be solid. 50$ is where you see people making tricky plays etc.

Much harder to win there, but still not that difficult

	10-07-2005 20:34									#10
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I actually find $50 much easier to win than, for instance, $10.

I think the reason why is that at $10 it's likely you and nine people who don't have a clue what they are doing; every one of them plays almost every hand, and on any given flop one of those idiots turns **** into gold. At the $50 tables, it's generally people who at least have a clue, so you at least have a better idea of what they have when they are playing--no one is holding J-7 offsuit, like at the $10 tables.

	10-07-2005 20:38									#11
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Yeah, that's obviously true. But playing at 10$ just means that you play fundamentals poker. Bet when you have a good hand, fold when you don't.

	10-07-2005 20:44									#12
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You called the all-in with a guy who had that much chips? With pocket 8's? I mean.. well the flop was OK for you but.. basically what you had to worry was the possible flush, three of a kind (4) and possible ace, king etc in the turn card and river but I assume this is the moment he went all-in? You don't play very conservatively.. ? I mean, I'm no one to say what a good strategy is but seems awfully risky to me, even when the chances are he needs higher pocket pair but still.. I never go all-in or call someone in all-in situation unless I have at least jacks as pocket pair. I feel like deuces are the crappiest cards you can get aside 3-7 and the likes.

Anyway, congrats, and yeah without knwoing the cards the odds were for you but.. still what a risky move at that point of the game!!!! CRAZY MAN! I guess it's safe to say I play only tight and move in much later on.. unless I have a very short stack that is.

	10-07-2005 20:56									#13
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It's not an awful call, depending on what was in the pot and how much the guy had left to raise.

	10-07-2005 20:56									#14
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The way he and I had bet up to that point, I figured I had a little better than a 50-50 chance. There was no way he was holding A-4 or A-6 suited, and the odds of him having pocket 4s or 6s were remote. I put him on something like AK, AQ, or KQ, but I knew there was a real chance that he had a better pocket pair. If I had won the hand, it would've given me almost 3x as many chips and anyone else in the tournament. C'est la vie.


And KH: hell, I usually win the $50 tables playing fundamental. It's the $10 tables that kill me playing like that--I'll play A-J, flop comes rainbow J-10-8, and some yahoo with 9-7 off or J-8 off or some other ridiculous **** will take me down. Play patient, smart, simple poker at the $50 tables, and you'll make money. Do that at the $10 tables, and you'll put a brick through your monitor.

	10-07-2005 20:58									#15
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I don't think that playing simple at 50$ level is, in general, a good idea.

I make a hell of a lot more plays there, and that's what wins me money.

	10-07-2005 21:01									#16
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Guy, you also have to be willing to fold top pair, top kicker at the lower tables if you really feel that somebody was playing with a J8 off and lucked out...

	10-07-2005 21:03									#17
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Yeah, but really, how do you figure that? They play the same way if they hit bottom pair as they do it they hit two pair.

	10-07-2005 21:06									#18
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Not completely.

Watch individual players. They have different styles.

	10-07-2005 21:13									#19
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Guynemer, true, true... then again, having that kind of chip lead... you could have force your way a long time.. I'm not saying calling that with pocket eights was a horrible thing to do.. risky.. but.. very possible to win.. yeah.. next time then, eh?

I'm not playing with real money yet.. with play money I've played for a while myself. It's stupid sometimes, because folks are always going to see all flops, and some people just go all-in right after getting cards and few follow and no one has **** but even with pocket aces, when you go all-in then, all you get is bad beats... so I prefer playing with people who treat it like it was real money. And know how to actually play.. but not too well .

	10-07-2005 21:21									#20
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I think another reason why I succeed at $50 playing mostly fundamental poker is that even though in general those players know what cards to play, often they don't know how to play them. You still see people calling the big blind constantly pre-flop; few people have the stones to raise. So when two or three or four people call the BB, and then I raise it by 4-6x the BB, a lot of those guys fold. I win lots of pots pre-flop doing that.

	10-07-2005 21:35									#21
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I play a lot at pokerroom now. lets see if we can organize a game.

	10-07-2005 21:39									#22
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Guynemer, right I know what you mean, but that's simply just bad playing. If you play tight, play only the top hands, you won't go spending all your money before the flop, or even after it. I mean, that's not tight game anymore. But yeah, lots of people do that. And then you can basically start buying the pots or bully people out of their chips ..

	10-07-2005 21:40									#23
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I'm seriously considering trying my hand at online poker while I have some time away from work... anyone got any good guides or advice for someone who knows the basics but has never played for proper money before? Or can anyone recommend a good UK site?

	10-07-2005 21:45									#24
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Yeah. Play conservatively. Be patient. And what ever you do, don't stray away from your original strategy if it's a good one. You need to win more averagely, not all the time.

I'd say a good ratio with flops seen is less than 30%.. I mean if it's over that, then you play loose guaranteed. You need to play tight since it's online poker. You get bad beats a lot there. Lots of fools ready to go with you and those bastards are lucky so you need to play tight. I'd say as for showdowns, about 45%-50% is good if you play tight and less than 30% flops seen. If you keep those ratios, and play conservatively and smart, check out for possible flushes, three of a kinds and straights for your opponents and react to them accordingly, you should be doing OK if you know how to play in general that is.

	10-07-2005 22:12									#25
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Took another 2 hours to make 112$ today at 20$ SNG

Played 4:

1st in one (100$)
2nd in one (60$)
3rd in one (40$)
5th in one (0$)

	10-07-2005 22:14									#26
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quote: I'd say a good ratio with flops seen is less than 30%.. I mean if it's over that, then you play loose guaranteed. You need to play tight since it's online poker. You get bad beats a lot there. Lots of fools ready to go with you and those bastards are lucky so you need to play tight. I'd say as for showdowns, about 45%-50% is good if you play tight and less than 30% flops seen.

This depends entirely on the betting style of the table, the size of the stacks and the size of the blinds.

If the stacks are much larger than the blinds (70X, say) and somebody makes a raise of 3X size of BB and there's 2 other callers then I will call with anything that shows promise...

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whats your pokerroom nick?

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eudoxus

	10-07-2005 22:22									#29
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You?

If I've ever been a dick to you I was probably drinking...

	10-07-2005 22:23									#30
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Makeo. not that i'm aware of.