14-07-2005 04:42									#61
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So could Makele have turned the game in Istambul around at half time like Hamaan did? Maybe, maybe not, bit Didi actually did it.

Comparing Robben and Duff to Alonso is apples and oranges, I like Robben but I'd sooner have Alonso than Duff.

	14-07-2005 04:52									#62
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Makalele is the world's best DM. It's because he doesn't go into offense that people forget about him. Hamaan isn't as good as Maka. There is a reason Chelsea let him have that penalty at the end of the year. Because he was the team's unheralded MVP.

And personally, I'd rather have Duff.

Btw, do you think the Liverpool will finish higher in the Prem standings than Chelsea this year?

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Makalele is the world's best DM. It's because he doesn't go into offense that people forget about him. Hamaan isn't as good as Maka. There is a reason Chelsea let him have that penalty at the end of the year. Because he was the team's unheralded MVP. And personally, I'd rather have Duff. Btw, do you think the Liverpool will finish higher in the Prem standings than Chelsea this year?

Firstly, we don't have MVP's (unheralded or otherwise) or "standings" in football.

No I don't think we will finish above Chavski next season, but this argument has gone slightly off course (mainly due to your goodself and Maquiladora). I was merely taking issue with the whole "Gerrard is Liverpool" BS.

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quote: Firstly, we don't have MVP's (unheralded or otherwise) or "standings" in football.

Only you would think that I meant they actually gave him an award . You know what it means, now apply it thusforth. And we Amis call them 'standings'. If you want to call it the 'table' or 'results grid' or whatever go ahead.

quote: I was merely taking issue with the whole "Gerrard is Liverpool" BS.

Then you should have ended it when most of us agreed that wasn't the case .

	14-07-2005 05:11									#65
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"results grid?" arrgghh!

"table", my dear friend, "table"

;O)

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..or "league", but please no more "standings" or esp. ""results grid"

	14-07-2005 05:13									#67
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'results grid', see this is exactly why americans shouldn't be allowed to talk about football

	14-07-2005 05:21									#68
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How about renaming grounds? You have to admit that there's a special ring to "Stamford Bowl".

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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney 'results grid', see this is exactly why americans shouldn't be allowed to talk about football

Even the ones who know their stuff (like Imran) just fall that wee bit short of the mark don't they? It's like having to talk to your girlfriend about the game.

	14-07-2005 05:25									#70
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever It's like having to talk to your girlfriend about the game.

Except that Imran knows what "offside" entails.

Ehm, you do know what "offside" entails, right, Imran?

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We don't know what you call the damn standings. "Results Grid" is something I've seen on soccer websites. Never seen it before on our sports.

	14-07-2005 05:27									#72
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Even the ones who know their stuff (like Imran) just fall that wee bit short of the mark don't they? It's like having to talk to your girlfriend about the game.

Hey, I'm not the one who said Hamaan was just as good as Makalele

quote: you do know what "offside" entails, right, Imran?

Yeah, it's what the refs call against us when they don't want us to score

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Hm, the amusing thing is that the dear fellow's name is "Hamann", not "Hamaan". "Hamaan" gives the impression that he's an Arab

And you people call yourselves "experts"...

	14-07-2005 05:32									#74
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My fingers move faster than my mental spell check .

Hamann... better?

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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Except that Imran knows what "offside" entails. Ehm, you do know what "offside" entails, right, Imran?

It's when the last opposing player is to the left the player who touched the ball last and the goalkeeper takes more than six seconds to release the ball.

	14-07-2005 05:34									#76
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Oh oh... it's when the pitch's sides are uneven... ie, the sides are off - offside .

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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Hm, the amusing thing is that the dear fellow's name is "Hamann", not "Hamaan". "Hamaan" gives the impression that he's an Arab And you people call yourselves "experts"...

Gimme a break with the typos, it's late and I've been down the pub watching the Mighty Reds (Gerrard FC) thrash a Sunday alehouse team 3-0.

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever So could Makele have turned the game in Istambul around at half time like Hamaan did? Maybe, maybe not, bit Didi actually did it. Comparing Robben and Duff to Alonso is apples and oranges, I like Robben but I'd sooner have Alonso than Duff.

Cheslea wouldn't have been 3-0 down at half time because they wouldn't have made such a horriffic tactical blunder by leaving out Makalele in the first place.

I'd rather have Gerrard than Tiago but apart from him no player in the Liverpool squad would get in the Chelsea side.

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ps. It's only 3-0 at half time in this qualifier.

Liverpool know that TNS can come back in the second half, and the gulf in class between Liverpool and TNS is less than the difference between Liverpool and Milan.

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The year is 2007 and 6 year old bluenose Duncan is talking to his
bluenose Dad.

SON "Dad, my mates in school told me that Liverpool won the European
Cup for the 5th time in 2005 - are they right dad?

DAD "Yes son, it's true, but they were dead lucky son, all the way
through the tournament"

SON "Why dad?"

DAD "Well in the group stages ..."

SON "What dad, did they have a team from Azerbaijan, Israel, and
Ireland in their group?"

DAD "Well no, they had Monaco, Deportivo la Coruna, and Olympiakos"

SON "Well they still sound like 3 easy teams to me dad"

DAD "Actually Monaco reached the final the year before, Olympiakos had
won their league 7 times out of the previous 8 seasons, and Deportivo
finished above the galacticos of Real Madrid in their league".

SON "Jeez dad, that sounds like quite a difficult group then".

DAD "yeh I suppose your right son, but they were still lucky - it took
a mishit shot by Gerrard against Olympiakos to get through".

SON "oh is that the goal were your hero Andy Gray goes berserk shouting
"you beauty, you beauty, what a hit son, what a hit!!!!"

DAD "yes son it is"

SON "oh ok. Well what happened in the last 16 dad, who did they draw?"

DAD "Bayer Leverkusen"

SON "Bayer who?"

DAD "Exactly son, but they had beaten Real Madrid 3-0 at home, and won
their group that included Dinamo Kiev and Roma too."

SON "Bloody hell dad, they sound good".

DAD "Yes, I suppose you're right son"

SON "So did they win on away goals or something"

DAD "errrrr, no, they won both legs 3-1 each"

SON "Oh - well, who next then dad"

DAD "Juventus"

SON "How the f#ck did they get past them Dad?"

DAD "Well they did - they won 2-1 at home, and cruised to a 0-0 away
draw without Juve having hardly any chances".

SON "Were Juve sh#t at that time - had all their decent players gone or
something?"

DAD "Well actually they still had players like Del Piero, Nedved,
Ibrahimovic, Thuram, and Buffon in the side. And they won Serie A a few
weeks later."

SON "wow, they beat the Italian champions elect - which p*ss easy team
did they get in the semi then?"

DAD "Chelsea"

SON "Chelsea - for f#cks sake - what a p!ss easy draw - they've won
nothing, Everton have won more than them".

DAD "Well that season they won the Premiership and League Cup but the
Red sh*te didn't let them score in 186 minutes of football"

SON "Jesus Christ - so Liverpool beat the English Champions elect too"

DAD "Yes son, they bloody well did".

SON "So after all that I suppose all the good teams had been knocked
out"

DAD "Not quite son, AC Milan awaited them in the final"

SON "No way - aren't they the 2nd most successful team in the
competition's history".

DAD "Yes son they are"

SON "So were Liverpool lucky because Milan had all their good players
out with injuries"

DAD "No - they had Shevchenko, Crespo, Maldini, Nesta, Cafu, Kaka,
Stam, Dida, Gattuso, Pirlo, and Seedorf".

SON "Your 'avin a laff"

DAD "It gets worse son, Milan were cruising, 3-0 up at half-time".

SON "What happened, did they have 3 men sent off in the second half -
how did Liverpool get back into the game?"

DAD "No, Milan had no men sent off, the Red sh*te scored 3 goals in 6
minutes"

SON "Against the best defence in Europe"

DAD "Yes!!!, against the best defence in Europe"

SON "So what happened next - extra time?"

DAD "Yes son, and Dudek made the luckiest save ever to stop a
Shevchenko shot from a yard"

SON "Why was it lucky dad - did it hit him on the arse, nose, shoulder
or something"

DAD "No son, his hand"

SON "Well aren't goalies meant to save shots with their hands"

DAD "Yeah, but that's besides the point"

SON "Then what"

DAD "Penalties!"

SON "English teams are crap at penalties"

DAD "Not this f#ckin time they weren't - they only missed one. And
that's how Liverpool became the luckiest team to win the European Cup".

SON "But I bet when they brought the cup home there was hardly anyone
to watch as all Liverpool fans live anywhere but Liverpool you say. How
many was there, 5,,000 or so?"

DAD "1 million people lined the streets".

SON "So let's get this straight dad - Liverpool had 3 good teams in
their group, they then knocked out a team who had beaten Real Madrid
3-0, they then knocked out the future Serie A champions, then knocked
out the future Premiership champions, before coming back from 3-0 down
to beat the 2nd most successful club in Europe. And then the whole
population of Liverpool came out to welcome them home!!!!

DAD "That about sums it up son"

SON "Dad?"

DAD "Yes son"

SON "Can I have a Liverpool shirt for my birthday next week, and can
you stop calling me Duncan - I'm Stevie from now on"

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The phrase "gracious in victory" springs to mind.

Who am i kidding, scousers never shut the **** up

	15-07-2005 01:53									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora The phrase "gracious in victory" springs to mind. Who am i kidding, scousers never shut the **** up

	15-07-2005 02:00									#83
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so Viera has left for Juventus for £13.7m (bargain), who will fill his place? Certainly noone already there.

	15-07-2005 02:15									#84
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Arsenal hav n't dome too bad out of the deal, to get £14m for a player pushing 30 and who was no great shakes last season (not entirely his fault TBH, but still....)

	15-07-2005 02:28									#85
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Yeah thats what i meant by "bargain"... by saying the opposite, not a good deal for Juventus.

Not a good sign for The Arse though, selling their best players, perhaps not at his peak last season, but as you said things just went against him.

Hopefully Henry will run into common sense and leave for Chelsea soon.

	15-07-2005 02:33									#86
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Ah, sorry! (not very clearly put though!)

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Reds, you're gloating like a ManU fan. *shakes head sadly*

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we'll do what we did last season when viera was crippled, put fabregas or flamini in his place or now we've signed hleb we can play him with gilberto. and of course we've got david bentley back from norwich, so he'll probably get a few games.

hopefully we can use this money to get shaun wright-phillips, though of course it wouldn't hurt us to sign another centre midfielder, so we're not left short staffed if we get as many injuries as last term.

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Reds, you're gloating like a ManU fan. *shakes head sadly*

Then I apologise unreservedly and will cease and desist henceforth

(Don't be too harsh, I'm just makin' hay while the Sun shines... )

	18-07-2005 17:02									#90
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I figured that was just about the most insulting thing I could say.