13-07-2005 01:28									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Sudan is pretty evenly split between Muslims and Christians

Sudan is about 75% Muslim.

	13-07-2005 01:30									#62
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1.9% (2003 est.) MALI

0.8% (2003 est.) SENEGAL

2.6% (2001 est.) SUDAN

5.4% (2003 est.) NIGERIA

4.1% (2003 est.) UGANDA

12.2% (2003 est.) MOZAMBIQUE

Seems to me that Sudan and Mali, while higher than other North African countries, is still less than the sub-saharan ones.

	13-07-2005 01:36									#63
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And you were quite right about the Christians in Sudan. They are about 5%, which is higher than in other countries, but not that much overall.

	13-07-2005 01:38									#64
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quote: Yes, complex. Sexual promiscuity is a reality in most of western Africa, despite western Africa being largely Muslim. Men have a nagging tendancy at feeling that it is normal to have mistresses.

Given time, I could chart percentage of muslims against the HIV prevalence rate, and I think it would show my argument pretty conclusively.

	13-07-2005 01:47									#65
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Someone should calculate the correlation. Personally, I'm too lazy.

	13-07-2005 01:52									#66
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My statistics software has expired, so I can't do it.

	13-07-2005 02:00									#67
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If someone digs up lists of Muslim and HIV infection percentages, I think I can do the maths.

Let's stick to African countries.

	13-07-2005 02:30									#68
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There are many countries in Africa

As Islam is not everywhere in Africa, I think the stats will be more interesting if we make a difference between other organized religions (mostly christianty), and indigenous mythologies. I'll thus have three categories: Muslim, Other (Christianty, Judaism etc.), Local.

Algeria: Muslim 99%, Other 1%. AIDS: 0.1%
Angola: Other 53%, Local 47%. AIDS: 3.9%
Benin: Muslim 20%, Other 30%, Local 50%. AIDS: 1.9%
Botswana: Other 15%, Local 85%. AIDS: 37.3% (yes, that high)
Burkina Faso: Muslim 50%, Other 10%, Local 40%. AIDS: 4.2%
Burundi: Muslim 10%, Other 67%, Local 23%. AIDS: 6%
Cameroon: Muslim 20%, Other 40%, Local 40%. AIDS: 6.9%
Central Africa: Muslim 15%, Other 50%, Local 35%. AIDS: 13.5%
Chad: Muslim 51%, Other 42%, Local 7%. AIDS: 4.8%
Comoros: Muslim 98%, Other 2%. AIDS: 0.12%
Congo Kinshasa: Muslim 10%, Other 70%, Local 20%. AIDS: 4.2%
Congo Brazzaville: Muslim 2%, Other 50%, Local 48%. AIDS: 4,9%
Cote d'Ivoire: Muslim 40%, Other 30%, Local 30%. AIDS: 7%
Djibouti: Muslim 94%, Other 6%. AIDS: 2.9%

More later

	13-07-2005 03:22									#69
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I'll throw some software at those numbers tomorrow.

	13-07-2005 03:35									#70
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quote: but men sympathize with the male, not the female.

I would say besides his fellow frat boys, the exact opposite is true.

	13-07-2005 05:27									#71
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quote: Google finds a reference to a brother of Robert Mugabe of that name, but the document can't be accessed.

So he's Robert Mugabe's brother? Thanks.

quote: Fine, let's withdraw all sympathy for those who never exercise, and never diet right and then suffer from a serious heart attack. Let's blame them for having the heart attack, and thus undeserving of our sympathy.

	13-07-2005 05:47									#72
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note to self: stay the hell out of south africa.

	13-07-2005 06:02									#73
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun People who brought it onto themselves, eh? Fine, let's withdraw all sympathy for those who never exercise, and never diet right and then suffer from a serious heart attack. Let's blame them for having the heart attack, and thus undeserving of our sympathy. In fact, there are plenty of diseases and injuries whose victims we can turn a cold shoulder against because often, those diseases and injuries are a result of neglect or ignorance of the victim.

Hey! Don't do that with your eyes, you might get stuck that way, and I'd feel really, really bad. See? I got sympathy. Yup, sympathy I got, my $ I need for my own ****ing medicine. Some over weight person has a heart attack and dies, I say, "damn, too bad he ate so much, he has dug his grave with his teeth." I see a gay guy reduced to skin and bones, I say, "damn, too bad he couldn't control himself, he dug his grave with his dong". In both cases, that's sympathy. It's just too bad. What makes gays different, is that they want me to pay the price, while overweight people do not. Diabetics do not, etc. What's so special about gays? You guys better than me?

	14-07-2005 03:26									#74
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc Gibsie - if you have a GF taking pills and she won't let you know what they are, evaluate your relationship and where you want it to go. People who use condoms do get AIDS, they just reduce the chances. If you are at all serious, sit down and explain your concerns. If she still won't let you see them, then you may wish to reevaluate what you are doing. My standing smart-a** remark about statements with silly exceptions is "She be really hot to go to bed with except that she has AIDS." Hopefully that isn't your case.

Good gosh, that's quite a misinterpretation (But perhaps understandable). These are 100% recreational drugs, that she takes occasionally, and definitely not HIV medication. Besides it's all moot as she split up with me and we never had sex.

On the plus side I can sill donate blood!

	14-07-2005 03:41									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor There are many countries in Africa As Islam is not everywhere in Africa, I think the stats will be more interesting if we make a difference between other organized religions (mostly christianty), and indigenous mythologies. I'll thus have three categories: Muslim, Other (Christianty, Judaism etc.), Local. Algeria: Muslim 99%, Other 1%. AIDS: 0.1% Angola: Other 53%, Local 47%. AIDS: 3.9% Benin: Muslim 20%, Other 30%, Local 50%. AIDS: 1.9% Botswana: Other 15%, Local 85%. AIDS: 37.3% (yes, that high) Burkina Faso: Muslim 50%, Other 10%, Local 40%. AIDS: 4.2% Burundi: Muslim 10%, Other 67%, Local 23%. AIDS: 6% Cameroon: Muslim 20%, Other 40%, Local 40%. AIDS: 6.9% Central Africa: Muslim 15%, Other 50%, Local 35%. AIDS: 13.5% Chad: Muslim 51%, Other 42%, Local 7%. AIDS: 4.8% Comoros: Muslim 98%, Other 2%. AIDS: 0.12% Congo Kinshasa: Muslim 10%, Other 70%, Local 20%. AIDS: 4.2% Congo Brazzaville: Muslim 2%, Other 50%, Local 48%. AIDS: 4,9% Cote d'Ivoire: Muslim 40%, Other 30%, Local 30%. AIDS: 7% Djibouti: Muslim 94%, Other 6%. AIDS: 2.9% More later

Ah, forgot all about this thread. Anyway, with those countries, the correlation between the AIDS percentage and the Muslim percentage is -0.4755.

	14-07-2005 04:01									#76
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I can only conclude that my very valid and well stated points have stunned my overmatched verbal opponents into an awed silence.

	14-07-2005 04:02									#77
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Damn, I forgot about this one too. Thanks for doing the maths, TLC, and that seems a rather strong negative correlation between the two, 1.00 being a perfect correlation right?

	14-07-2005 04:06									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Damn, I forgot about this one too. Thanks for doing the maths, TLC, and that seems a rather strong negative correlation between the two, 1.00 being a perfect correlation right?

Indeed.

Just recall the old adage "correlation is not causation".

(A glance at the map suggests there ought, for African countries, be a not inconsiderable correlation 'tween AIDS rate and the latitude of the country's capital.)

	14-07-2005 04:12									#79
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Well, that may have something to do with the growth of Islam, in Africa, that the North has more Islamic folks than the South.

Secondly, how many countries did you enter? I might do the same with more since I have a bit of free time over the next few days.

	14-07-2005 04:15									#80
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As said, I used the countries from Spiff's list.

The point about "correlation is not causation" isn't that iIslam isn't the reason, but that my math doesn't prove that it is. A test like this can falsify the hypothesis that Islam stops AIDS, but not prove it.

	14-07-2005 04:22									#81
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No, that's what the whole point was for the exercise. If we could see no correlation, then my argument would have been crushed.

	14-07-2005 16:31									#82
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Gibsie - sorry 'bout that. Since you posted your GF taking drugs she would not let you see on this thread, I was taking it in the context of prescripion drugs. I normally would assume, if she is not willing to provide data, it is something she is embarressed about/worried about your reaction too, such as mental health (i.e. depression, bi-polar, schitzophrenia, etc.) or epilepsy, cancer, or similiar issues. When you mentioned South Africa, though, that caused me concern because of the extremely high rate of AIDS among sexually active adults. Remember, all the rates you here, you can increase them by 50% to double among the sexually active adults, depending on the amount of people in monogamous relationships, not dating at all, too young, etc. That makes South Africa frighteningly high.

	14-07-2005 16:52									#83
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Yeah I can see why you thought that. It was just what Jon Miller had said about rohypnol, and the way she acted when I saw her under the influence of these drugs, it hit a chord. I think she was worried about my reaction, that I'd instantly google the pills and tell her about the risks and so on (When in fact I'm very liberal about drugs).

	15-07-2005 19:07									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi No, that's what the whole point was for the exercise. If we could see no correlation, then my argument would have been crushed.

Um, that's what I said.

	15-07-2005 20:41									#85
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I'm agreeing with you TLC.

	15-07-2005 20:48									#86
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Agreement is not usually indicated by the word "no".

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No that's right.