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quote: More younger children are having sex - survey By Juggie Naran One out of every three children is having sex at the age of 10, and 17 out of 100 will deliberately spread the virus if they know they are HIV-positive. These are the findings of a comprehensive survey by the Community Information, Empowerment and Transparency (CIET Africa) in November and December 2002. CIET is a worldwide network of professionals from a variety of disciplines that provide technical support to communities to enable them to participate in an informed way in decisions that affect their lives. 'Explicit messages with sexual connotations are common' The results of the study have already been used to develop life skills education materials, called "Beyond Victims and Villains", adapted to meet the standards of the revised national curriculum. The survey was published in the British Medical Journal last year. The study involved 269 905 pupils in Grades 6 to 11 in all language groups, across a range of schools and from all nine provinces. Some of the other disturbing findings included that, at 18, two out of every three children had had sex. Two out of 10 pupils did not believe condoms prevented pregnancy or other sexually transmitted diseases. One in 10 said they believed sex with a virgin could cure HIV/Aids, and one in 10 had been raped in the past year. Three out of every 100 pupils thought that girls liked sexually violent boys and one out of every 10 thought that girls who got raped, asked for it, according to the study. The study further stated people were becoming sexually active earlier and belief systems about sex supported sexually violent and sexually irresponsible behaviour. 'Often young girls become victims of rape' "It is not surprising that 43 percent of all sexual crimes committed on children reported to Childline, were committed by children under 18," the study reported. Despite widespread preventive interventions, reports of sexual abuse had increased. Reported incidents do not reflect the scale of the problem. CIET Africa research concluded that of every 394 offences committed, only 272 were reported. "Only 17 of these become dockets of which five are referred to court for prosecution. One docket in every five gets 'lost' and only one conviction is secured," said the study. Some of the reasons for not reporting rape were shame, feelings of guilt, lack of access to a reporting point, intimidation, adult gate-keeping, an emotional bond with the abuser and economic dependence. The study also challenged myths: Damage to the child was irreparable. Children can, in fact, heal. It is essential to acknowledge and support the child's capacity to heal and benefit from therapy and a healing environment. Children can say "no" to abuse. This can put children at greater risk as it creates an expectation of safety. Children often cannot say "no" because the abuser is more powerful physically and psychologically. There is a universal norm of respect for an older person that most children have internalised. Older people have access to resources children may need or want and use these to manipulate the child. Abused children will develop into adult abusers. While this is sometimes true, it was not true for the majority of victims - girls. Public campaigns and activism, said the study, had very little impact on service provision in respect of prevention or management. Research indicated that a secure childhood was seen as one of the most critical factors in developing mature and responsible adults. But, the study recommended that life skills education in schools focused on the inculcation of a human and child rights culture. Life skills needed to focus on not only the pursuit of protecting and claiming a person's rights but also the protection of the rights of others, particularly the rights of those who were vulnerable. Educational psychologist Salochani Govender supported the CIET Africa research findings. The time had arrived for South Africa to become pro-active and this had to start at home and school, she said. Education on sexuality, HIV and Aids, creating attitudes of empowerment and growth and developing a transformational mindset were the keys to moving forward, said Govender. The education department had life skills, sexuality and HIV programmes as well as pupil support material for supporting youth in a trained and nurturing environment in which issues could be discussed. The Advice Desk for the Abused executive director, Fatima Bayat, said it was very disappointing and sad to note that rape and sexual assault were dominating society. "Our youth, including young children, are sexually active." There were numerous reasons why young people displayed inappropriate sexual behaviour patterns, said Bayat. "Media, especially television, plays a very influential role to enhance kids' curiosity and encourages them to become sexually active. Explicit messages with sexual connotations are common. "Often young girls, deprived of financial security and love, become victims of rape or consenting to sex for fear of rejection," said Bayat. KwaZulu-Natal department of education spokesperson, Christy Naude, was not available for comment.

Just amazing.... Just another indication of how serious the problems causing the AIDS epidemic are.

	12-07-2005 02:23									#2
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some tihngs just depress me

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I don't believe it. though I admit I didn't read the entire article.

It depends on how this survey was taken. I find kids lie on suveys all the time. They do in the U.S.

I remember girls talking in junior high school. Every single one of them denied being a virgin, when I'm certain every single one was a virgin.

And kids in junior high school would all say they did drugs so they'd look cool.

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Isn't the AIDS epidemic more or less causing the collapse of the social structure of the entire region?

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This is terrible. So many people viewing rape in a rather positive fashion makes for a really, really bad collective mentality. I wonder how they can possibly solve their nightmare.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I don't believe it. though I admit I didn't read the entire article. It depends on how this survey was taken. I find kids lie on suveys all the time. They do in the U.S. I remember girls talking in junior high school. Every single one of them denied being a virgin, when I'm certain every single one was a virgin. And kids in junior high school would all say they did drugs so they'd look cool.

Read Kaffir Boy and see if you still stand by your statement.

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Can we provide every single african with aids medicine? Should we even try? At what point do we just let people pay the price for their own behavior? The price is what, $300 a month per person? Should we just provide medicine for rape victims who contract aids?

Is it our problem?

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor This is terrible. So many people viewing rape in a rather positive fashion makes for a really, really bad collective mentality. I wonder how they can possibly solve their nightmare.

I'm not entirely convinced this is a new phenomenon if it is true. I believe this has always been the case.

rape has always been prevailant in society.

We've undergone the same thing in the U.S. with these shocking relevations of kids having sex. But I wonder if this has always been the case. Or as I've said before, kids tend to lie about having sex because being a virgin is uncool. I lied about having girlfriends in high school all the time. But the fact is I was a virgin until well into my adult years.

and as we've seen here, people will select outrageous responses to poll questions because they are trolls. How do we know the africans aren't doing this?

Until you show me proof of 1 in 3 kids having sex, I refuse to believe it.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident We've undergone the same thing in the U.S. with these shocking relevations of kids having sex.

Read the article. The fact that kids are having sex is not the worst thing this article is saying. It details attitudes toward sex that are absolutely horrendous.

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That's some scary sh1t, but not all that surprising, given what my last girlfriend, from South Africa, told me.

She herself started having sex at 14 and fell pregnant (although she used condoms). The kicker was that the father of the baby raped her a couple of years later, and she still continued to have consentual sex with him afterwards. It's very sad, and one of the things I will never be able to understand about her.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Read the article. The fact that kids are having sex is not the worst thing this article is saying. It details attitudes toward sex that are absolutely horrendous.

kids in american have pretty shitty attitudes towards sex. In fact, these results look very similar to a study of americans I was reading about.

You hear all the time in american society how men think women are asking for it when they are raped. See the Kobe Bryant case. While I don't believe that particular case was rape, there are many similar cases that are rape, but men sympathize with the male, not the female.

And I do remember one specific americans study that said men think that women want to be with men who treat them badly.

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I'm sorry if me being a skeptic makes me look insensitive. but this article looks so similar to shocking articles put out by the american media. If it's true, it's a worldwide problem, not just a problem in Africa. Men have always had shitty attitudes towards women. It's just in the U.S. men are polite enough to keep their shitty attitudes towards themselves a little better. But they still have evil thoughts in their heads. How do I know their thoughts you ask? Take a look no further than pornography and growing popularity of forced porn. I'm not sure what the proper term is for that, I don't want to know. The stuff that shows simulated rape and such. And bukkake which is also similated rape in a way.

I've gotten to the point where I don't trust the media much anymore. About the only thing I can trust them on is the ability to report on natural disasters.

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The US doesn't have an AIDS epidemic to go along with these stats though. Nor have I ever heard reports of it being THAT bad in the US. South Africa is an entirely different kettle of fish, as they say.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident kids in american have pretty shitty attitudes towards sex. In fact, these results look very similar to a study of americans I was reading about.

Do 20% of your kids refuse to believe that condoms prevent pregnancies and disease?
Do 10% of your kids believe that AIDS can be cured by having sex with a virgin?
Is the US plagued by systematic child-rapes?
Are your dumbass kids being sexually active in an AIDS-infested environment?

In the US, you have very anecdotal occurences of such things. In South Africa, it's the ordinary. With 1/10 of the youth believing they can cure AIDS by having sex with a virgin, I don't see how the **** can ever end, except for the discovery of a vaccine.

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quote: ...did not believe condoms prevented pregnancy or other sexually transmitted diseases.

What a strange slip-up in an article on such a grave subject.

(Did not read beyond that.)

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Do 20% of your kids refuse to believe that condoms prevent pregnancies and disease? Do 10% of your kids believe that AIDS can be cured by having sex with a virgin? Is the US plagued by systematic child-rapes? Are your dumbass kids being sexually active in an AIDS-infested environment? In the US, you have very anecdotal occurences of such things. In South Africa, it's the ordinary. With 1/10 of the youth believing they can cure AIDS by having sex with a virgin, I don't see how the **** can ever end, except for the discovery of a vaccine.

I can't say what thought they have. But we do have over 20% percent of our population who refuses to use condoms. americans are very ignorant.

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quote: Originally posted by Winston quote: ...did not believe condoms prevented pregnancy or other sexually transmitted diseases. What a strange slip-up in an article on such a grave subject.

is it a slip up? or is the article inheritantly biased.

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I'm sorry this looks so insensitive.

It's gotten to the point I can't believe anything I read over the internet anymore.

I blame it all on Faded Glory.

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quote: Originally posted by Winston quote: ...did not believe condoms prevented pregnancy or other sexually transmitted diseases. What a strange slip-up in an article on such a grave subject. (Did not read beyond that.)

The whole article is like that. It can't spend as much time on this attitude as it deserves, because the article is a heap of monstrosities that get more and more frightening.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident is it a slip up? or is the article inheritantly biased.

There's a difference 'tween being biased and believing that pregnancy is a disease. I doubt anyone crazy enough to accept the later notion can write grammatical English.

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist There's a difference 'tween being biased and believing that pregnancy is a disease. I doubt anyone crazy enough to accept the later notion can write grammatical English.

I just thought the article looked to be feministly biased. And some feminists do believe pregnancy is a disease.

Not that I have anything against feminists. I do support most feminist policies and do champion equal rights for women. I just don't want them to ignore the worsening problem we have in the united states. The feminists made such great progress in the 60's and 70's, and the rap culture has reversed nearly all of it. Women are back to being viewed as sluts and whores. Tragic.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I don't believe it. though I admit I didn't read the entire article. It depends on how this survey was taken. I find kids lie on suveys all the time. They do in the U.S. I remember girls talking in junior high school. Every single one of them denied being a virgin, when I'm certain every single one was a virgin. And kids in junior high school would all say they did drugs so they'd look cool.

I knew girls in junior highschool who were pregnant..

and a number who said they wanted to be whores..

come to think of it, my sister was hacing sex with her boyfreind in 8th..

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I also knew girls who wanted to experience being on roofie

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I know guys who do also..

it is a drug

just one that is used to rape at times..

JM

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oh man
That makes me wonder... my SA girl, she takes these pills and will NOT let me know what they are... that's probably it. Madness!

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Dissident
The average age for a person to lose their virginity in the USA is 17. This number makes perfect sense to me--I can honestly say by age 17 half the people I knew personally enough to share that kind of thing with had sex.

Is that a huge shocker? I'm surprised growing up in NV you think it's untrue. Although I guess those prostitutes ask for ID...

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quote: Originally posted by Lancer The price is what, $300 a month per person? Should we just provide medicine for rape victims who contract aids?

In foreign countries with generic drugs the price could be $10/month.

Still a lot of money but considerably less than $300. And it's not our problem now but it could become a problem if such attitudes spread.

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Gibsie - if you have a GF taking pills and she won't let you know what they are, evaluate your relationship and where you want it to go. People who use condoms do get AIDS, they just reduce the chances. If you are at all serious, sit down and explain your concerns. If she still won't let you see them, then you may wish to reevaluate what you are doing. My standing smart-a** remark about statements with silly exceptions is "She be really hot to go to bed with except that she has AIDS." Hopefully that isn't your case.

One of the problems you are seeing here is a breakdown of tribal cultures while at the same time the national justice system is not sufficiently grown to handle the situation. In most tribal cultures, raping a girl will get you killed by her family. The tribe of the young man engaged in/considering such actions will largely force him into certain behaviours, unless of course the girl's family/tribe/clan is an enemy, in which case those behaviors may be lauded.

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quote: Originally posted by Theben In foreign countries with generic drugs the price could be $10/month. Still a lot of money but considerably less than $300. And it's not our problem now but it could become a problem if such attitudes spread.

Still, my wife and I don't mess around, we're a biological closed loop. It's not our problem whether such attitudes spread or not. Most people are aware of AIDS, yet they behave like they do anyway. I say, that's their choice, if it kills em, well too bad for them. We need to put more money into AIDS education, and help rape victims and the like, but for 99%...They shouldn't have done what they did, they knew the risks, I shouldn't pay the price.

I'm a diabetic and I need to pay my own insulin or die. I didn't do anything to get diabetes, yet I'm to get taxed to pay for AIDS victims medicine? People who, for the most part, brought it on themselves?

I got my own problems...

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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Dissident The average age for a person to lose their virginity in the USA is 17. This number makes perfect sense to me--I can honestly say by age 17 half the people I knew personally enough to share that kind of thing with had sex. Is that a huge shocker? I'm surprised growing up in NV you think it's untrue. Although I guess those prostitutes ask for ID...

shocker as in too young, or too old? I'm not sure what you are asking.

That number sounds right.

But when you hear kids talk, every 13 year old claims they aren't a virgin. And they vote falsely in all those school polls as well.