14-07-2005 08:58									#1
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Military
Marcus is wounded and in hostile territory. Once we see his surroundings we can discuss which way he runs.

Barb stack on our western border. We'll have to see if Delenn survives and where the stack moves. Potamia is definitely the immediate danger point.

Maps
See previous turnthread

	14-07-2005 11:43									#2
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If we're still "weak" compared to a number of other teams, we should go and build up the military. I don't like the world diplomacy situation; it's explosive.

	14-07-2005 19:06									#3
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* E_T is dancing as fast as he can

I'm working on it. We will be exploding with Units, realatively soon. Total Unit count (including Workers) will increase by a factor of 2.5 in around 30 turns. My Plroblem, is nailing down the city sites to be built, so as to get then set up.

E_T

	15-07-2005 04:59									#4
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We definitely do not send Feudalism now.

	15-07-2005 05:08									#5
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* E_T nods at Beta

We CAN send it to Euph. Should we also sendthem some gold (for Upgrades)?

E_T

	15-07-2005 05:48									#6
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They are blocking our Settler.

Barbs are within distance of attacking BW 208 (near Potamia).

Suggested Mil Moves & Comments, please discuss if need be

Move spear in IT to Kurra

Move Spear in LI to join Settler/spear pair. Fort Spear & Settler.

Move Bowman Micha into LI. Will switch with LI Spear next turn.

Sheridan was only survivor, DR & Barb units are close, move him 2-1. Contact LB after we play the save and ask if alright to have him next to Venture (9-9 from it) to rest up before returning Home. This will be on the next turn, not this one. Tell them that we only want him to get 1 or 2 (not full) HP's back before moving on. Also warn them of the Barbs at Venture 9-9-9-8, but don't tell how many.

Move Felex 4 - Looking for Barbs NE of Euph, atleast if none foundm they won't have to worry about that direction. He can move 2 nex turn.

Discuss: Move Cane 2, onto road into Euph from BoH. If BoH wants, they can attack and we will be at war (likely as it is, when we don't send the tech). But if not, we can raze the road the turn after.

Franklin - move 4-2, to Block Barbs from crossing and getting next to Potamia (and razing that tile).

Delenn - Move 2-3 onto worker.

Able - Potamia now has Road and he can leave, move him to Worker.

Bowman Beta - move 8, can cover both sides of river.

Shogun Bowman - move 7

Bowman Jon - move 4. If moved to road, will still lose move when crossing river next turn, so that move gives him a bit more tactical flexibility.

Bowman Big & Furry - move 4. Able to cover Franklin, move into Potamia or attack any Barbs moving along the forest towards Felinicity. He could also be attacked, but he has good defence and also has the 1 bow shot, too. If not wanting to risk it right now, move him 1.

Bowman Kloreep - move 4

Bowman Hercules & Tosses Cows - move 1

Warrior scaeva (in PoA) - Fort

New Warrior in IT - Fort

That's it for Mil stuff. Comments?

E_T

	15-07-2005 05:54									#7
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We might want to build an Embassy, with BoH, this turn (70 gold). It wold be intel that we can atleast get an idea as to what they are doing.

Unless they check the Espianage screen, they won't know that we have it.

This might be our Only chance to do this, as we might be at war with them, come next turn.

Euph might need that Info, we would give it to them for free.

E_T

	15-07-2005 06:28									#8
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quote: Discuss: Move Cane 2, onto road into Euph from BoH. If BoH wants, they can attack and we will be at war (likely as it is, when we don't send the tech). But if not, we can raze the road the turn after.

As for the embassy, I'm not sure. That's a lot of gold. Aside from seeing whether they're researching (and someone else like DR could be researching for them no matter what) I don't think it would bring that much information.

	15-07-2005 07:20									#9
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Yes with Cain. Put the onus on them. And the road is in neutral territory.

The rest looks OK to me. I gather we lose worker 203 this turn.

As to the embassy - not sure. Can you explain the pros to me. I know the con - it is 70 gold.

	15-07-2005 07:50									#10
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Nice work.

	15-07-2005 08:45									#11
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It would give us an idea as to how much gold they have onhand for upgrades and there actual production capability in Blood Hall. As they appear to have lots of troops, they also have to spend for their Upkeep, so that will give us an idea as to their cashflow.


Plus, if we are planning an all Nation alliance against them, knowing what could be sitting at home, even now, would give us an something that we could take to others and help convince them that now is the time to remove them from play or it will be never.

E_T

	15-07-2005 08:48									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Beta The rest looks OK to me. I gather we lose worker 203 this turn.

We will pray greatly to Inanna for their survival!! atleast it's not nothing (1 Reg warrior and 1 Vet Horse, both unforted), although 1 more turn would have helped somewhat. Maybe, with the troop dispositions, they will split their forces.

* E_T rushes off to the Temple!!

E_T

	17-07-2005 08:11									#13
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See the BOH thread for the ultimatums.

Do we send Feud accepted this turn or not? (I say no.)

What do we do with Cain?

I don't think there's much we can do at this point. I imagine that ultimatum is serious.

	17-07-2005 08:17									#14
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Feud - NO

Wait one turn with Cain before pillage

Hopefully cooperation will increase between A-M and Lost Boys with us in the coming turns.

	17-07-2005 08:19									#15
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You mean wait one turn before moving him on to the road? (We can't pillage now regardless. )

	17-07-2005 08:28									#16
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Move Cain onto the road. Our explanantion can be he is simply moving on.

And do not accept feudalism.

It is clear that BOH do not any legitimate reason to attack a civ, so we wshould not be worieed on either count.

	17-07-2005 08:35									#17
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ah, yes -- it would wait one turn before pillage... u r correct

	17-07-2005 08:37									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Move Cain onto the road. Our explanantion can be he is simply moving on. And do not accept feudalism. It is clear that BOH do not any legitimate reason to attack a civ, so we wshould not be worieed on either count.

Ok - I just read Paddy's long note. Hmmm... It is clear that either of these actions will be an act of war. We need to consider what to do. And we are nbeing pressured to play the turn.

The Cain move we can live without. Besides - it is clear that he will be killed if he moves there. So let's not do that.

Now - the tech. What to do there?

	17-07-2005 08:47									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Beta The Cain move we can live without. Besides - it is clear that he will be killed if he moves there. So let's not do that.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

quote: Originally posted by Beta Now - the tech. What to do there?

I don't want to give Feud to BOH.

They're unlikely to back down from their ultimatum. On the other hand, the fact that they are making it makes me think their troops are not on the way and they don't have plans to attack. So, sure, we'd have war in name... but would it affect us much long-term?

	17-07-2005 09:11									#20
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How about this, give it to everyone else, except for BoH

* E_T goes to put down his New Harry Potter book to get the Orders posted.

E_T

	17-07-2005 09:12									#21
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I imagine giving it to DR would be giving it to BOH. Not even with a turn's delay the way the turn order works.

	17-07-2005 09:18									#22
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Ok - I think we can spin it this way. we mean no ill will by not forwarding feud. But it was a tech trade made as part of an alliance. BOH- you have stated your case - we need to hear from Euphorica. In the meantime, we will not forward or trade feud to any team. That should buy us at least one turn - and maybe a chance to tie up some defensive alliances.

	17-07-2005 09:31									#23
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Ok - lets play the turn - Cain does not move to the road. But it would be nice to get him back home.

And we with-hold feudalism and skro sends a nicely worded letter.

	17-07-2005 09:33									#24
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So, Cain 1?

Or we could move 4 toward BOH. Probably would not be well received, though, and even if they tend to leave their core as empty as they claim, that core is still going to be producing units all the time.

So 1, I'd say...

	17-07-2005 09:46									#25
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Workers:
BW 454 - Irrigate (4 turns to complete)
New Worker in GoT - Move 7-4, will start Mining next turn.
BW’s 372, 586, 643 - Road (2 turns to complete).
BW 088 - Mine (6 turns to complete).

	17-07-2005 10:17									#26
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Cities:
Babylon - building Spearman (turn 2 of 2). Starting WF 1-2-7-12-16. NC.
Inanna's Throne - Warrior built, Start building Warrior (turn 1 of 1). Starting WF 2-4-7-8-15. NC.
Plains of Ashur - building Settler (turn 5 of 5). Starting WF 2-4-7-8-16. NC.
Felicity - building Catapult (turn 6 of 6). Starting WF 2-4-5-13.
Garden of Tammuz (grow/shrinks) - Worker built, start building Worker (turn 1 of 2). Starting WF 2-3-8-19-20, change WF to 2-3-8-18-19..
Potamia (grows this turn) - building Spearman (turn 2of 4). Starting WF ??1??7-8-15. change WF to 1-7-8-15..
Kurra - building Temple (2 turns left to build). Starting WF 7-8. NC.
Hookah - building Harbor (turn 3 of 15). Starting WF 7-8-??19??. Change WF to 1-8-19..
Lake Ishtar (grows this turn) - building Worker (turn 9 of 10). Starting WF 3-7-??14??. Change WF to 2-3-7..

E_T

	17-07-2005 10:21									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Beta And we with-hold feudalism and skro sends a nicely worded letter.

Beta, I think that we need to make sure that we send something, in next 24 hours.

E_T

	17-07-2005 10:32									#28
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I suggest we send a message to both BOH and Euphorica stating that as we do not know who to trust, we will not be sending Feudalism to either of them. Make sure to send them not just the same text, but the same e-mail, so they can see they've both been sent the same thing. That might appease BOH in to not declaring war, which would help with negotiating MPPs.

We can send Euphorica their own message explaining that we are still happy to send Feud later should they reacquire iron, and that due to BOH's ultimatum and the apparent futility of moving on to the road, we didn't.

	17-07-2005 10:42									#29
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Report
Note: Our galley died. So much for exploring the coast.

-BOH accepts Feudalism. Babylon clears the table and exits.
-IT produces warrior, starts another
-GoT produces worker, starts another

-Shogun Bowman 7
-Bowman Beta 8
-Bowman Jon 4
-Bowman Kloreep 4
-Bowman Hercules 1
-Tosses Cows 1
-Bowman Big and Furry 4
-Bowman Micha 8
-Spearman w/ settler forts
-Settler skips
-Warrior scaeva forts
-BW454 irrigates
-New worker in GoT named "BWorker 217" and moved 7-4
-BW372 roads
-BW586 roads
-BW643 roads
-BW088 mines
-Spearman in IT 8-6-6 to Kurra
-Nameless warrior in IT 7-7-4 to PoA
-Franklin 4-2
-Delenn 2-3
-Sheridan 2-1
-Cain 1
-Felix 4
-Spearman in LI activated, moved 8 to join settler stack
-Abel (Potamia) activated, moved 4 to help cover worker

-Babylon WF to 1-7-12-16-18
-IT WF to 3-7-8-15-16
-GoT WF to 2-3-8-18-19
-Potamia WF to 1-7-8-15
-Hookah WF to 1-8-19
-LI WF to 2-3-7

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	17-07-2005 10:46									#30
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So, how about this for a message to both BOH & Euphorica. Euphorica needs a seperate message, of course.

quote: Greetings to the other members of the former TNA. We have heard accounts of woe and betrayal from both sides of this new conflict. We cannot yet decide who to send Feudalism and who to withhold it from. We must hold off on sending Feudalism to either of you for the moment. We hope you will understand Babylon is simply trying to do the right thing.

Might send BOH their own seperate message asking for a screenshot of the city investigation and/or an explanation of why that constitutes betrayal.