18-07-2005 01:56									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer The Germans in WW2 had an officer whacked in...Yugoslavia? Anyway, they went and exterminated the town where it happened, killed em all, the murdering scum. That said, they never had any more trouble in that town. Life sucks.

They did the same here in The Netherlands, in a small town called Putten. They rounded up every boy and man. Only a handfull came back after the war.

	18-07-2005 01:59									#62
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quote: However, the Israeli answer of bulldozing the houses and leaving the people scratching their asses and wondering what happened, much better. A humane approach to a messy problem.

Lancer, think about it. Suppose one of Dolores' family went astray and joined a Phillipine "resistance" movement. You think a "humane approach" is justified?

	18-07-2005 02:03									#63
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These are terror bombers? Sure, Dolore's family would never put up with that in their family. Papa Mente (dad) would beat the little bastard to pulp, for his own good. Every one of her brothers would help. Nope, not possible such a person could come from such a family.

	18-07-2005 02:05									#64
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I....agree....with...Winston.

minus the

	18-07-2005 02:06									#65
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Hueij, sorry to hear about Putten, horrible. They ever get the Germans who did it?

	18-07-2005 02:10									#66
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There´s always a solution to dealing with terrorists. Round up every one who had any dealings with them whatsoever and have them shot. But the problem with this is that it´s fascism and doesn´t belong in democratic states...

As someone said earlier, two wrongs doesn´t make a right.

	18-07-2005 02:19									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Hueij, sorry to hear about Putten, horrible. They ever get the Germans who did it?

I dunno, they were probably just ordinary Wehrmacht guys. Couldn't have been the regular Dutch police, they were too busy rounding up Jews for the Germans.

	18-07-2005 02:25									#68
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Ugg.

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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Ugg.

You are right about that. When I grew up during the 50's and 60's we were taught that my country valiantly stood up against the Nazi's. We were all heroes. In the tv series Big Brother there is a scene where you see, after the liberation of Eindhoven how everyone is chasing the so called "moffenhoeren" (Kraut whores) who's only crime was that they fell in love with a German soldier. We were all resistance fighters after the war ended...

Fact is, we just adapted, live has to go on you know, and the fact that relatively seen we lost more of our
Jewish population than any other occupied country (including Poland!) was not common knowledge. Ha!, we were the people that hid Anne Frank, weren't we.

We were a lot of cowards and collaborators during the occupation, and heroes after the liberation.

Sorry for the rant and the thread-jack, but this is something I feel very strong about.

Back to rounding up suicide bombers' families

	18-07-2005 03:04									#70
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Haven't you Duthmen worked on your memory, in order to be at peace with your past, by being accurate? (sort of what the Germans have done, and the French as well to a lesser extent)

	18-07-2005 03:17									#71
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Better the Dutch way than the Japanese. National honesty can be a tough one. Sounds like you're handleing it Hueij.

	18-07-2005 03:20									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Haven't you Duthmen worked on your memory, in order to be at peace with your past, by being accurate? (sort of what the Germans have done, and the French as well to a lesser extent)

Not really. We have WW2 covered I guess, but there is still the Indonesion Independance War (still called Police Actions over here) and Srebenica to deal with.

	18-07-2005 03:22									#73
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Well, we have made peace with our Algerian past only a handful of years ago (it's now considered a war, and the torture we inflicted is now officially acknowledged). It might not take too long before you come to terms with the Indonesian independance too.

	18-07-2005 03:33									#74
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Spiffor is correct. IIRC suicide bombers are already dumping all over the Koran but it's ok! because they are in a JIHAD. Principles come second to the jihad.

The Quran condemns suicide. It's pretty clear they don't care about the edicts of the religion they claim to fight for.

	18-07-2005 03:35									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Well, we have made peace with our Algerian past only a handful of years ago (it's now considered a war, and the torture we inflicted is now officially acknowledged). It might not take too long before you come to terms with the Indonesian independance too.

Oh, I'm sure we will. After the last veteran dies...

	18-07-2005 05:02									#76
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I am not sure if destroying the bomber's family house works, but if it works, I see no problem with this.

To be honest, most of the problems that we have with terrorists are due to the fact that we approach them with half-assedness. We aren't sure what do about them - kill them, or try to make them realize the truth.

A very solid step, IMHO, would be to decide the **** up on this question.

	18-07-2005 16:03									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij You are right about that. When I grew up during the 50's and 60's we were taught that my country valiantly stood up against the Nazi's. We were all heroes. In the tv series Big Brother there is a scene where you see, after the liberation of Eindhoven how everyone is chasing the so called "moffenhoeren" (Kraut whores) who's only crime was that they fell in love with a German soldier. We were all resistance fighters after the war ended...

So they voted the "moffenhoeren" out?

Or do you mean Band of Brothers?

What is moffen? The food, sauerkraut?

No, I have nothing constructive to say about the matter at hand.

	18-07-2005 17:14									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer The Germans in WW2 had an officer whacked in...Yugoslavia? Anyway, they went and exterminated the town where it happened, killed em all, the murdering scum. That said, they never had any more trouble in that town. Life sucks.

Towards the end of the war the Germans were geting their officers whacked virtually everywhere, but I believe your thinking about an incident that occurred in Czeckoslovakia. It wasn't an officer, it was the politico appointed to govern the occupied territory, a high ranking Nazi named Heydrich. The Germans retaliated by destroying ther nearest village and its inhabitants on the assumption that the assassins must have come from the village. They were wrong however, their man had been whacked by some Czeck ex-soldiers working for the Brits. They had been secretly inserted into the area and had had no connection with the town. Incidently, they may have inspired Ian Fleming to create the "double 0 agents" in his writing.

	18-07-2005 18:27									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak if locking up a few innocents keeps a whole lot of innocents from getting blown to pieces...i'd say it sounds utilitarian :-p

Seems Zoidberg's comment is spot on then, fascist. In addition, why don't we start locking up people who might be future criminals? It would save us the trouble of waiting until they've committed a crime.

Your idea is neither radical nor new. It is infact a quite reactionary idea, and has been around as long as there have been tyrants.

	18-07-2005 21:19									#80
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quote: We should scour the Koran for some loophole ritual thing that can be done to one's corpse to prevent you from going to heaven. Then pick up the suicide bomber's parts with a tweezer and do that.

That's why the Jews would put pigs in the buses, so that if the bomber blew up the buses, he would get pig remains all over himself and his victims.

As for holding the family responsible, the way I see it is that if a person is not old enough to stand up for themselves, the family becomes responsible for the actions of the person.

Suicide bombers are usually young, but old enough to be an adult and to be responsible for their own actions, so you wouldn't be able to apply the same rationale. However, someone had to order the bomber, and to organise the bombers, and that's the person who ought to be held responsible. You get that person, arrest him, and solve a considerable portion of it. The problem is tracking down these people in the first place.

	20-07-2005 05:56									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi That's why the Jews would put pigs in the buses, so that if the bomber blew up the buses, he would get pig remains all over himself and his victims.

It wouldn't be kosher.