17-07-2005 15:22									#1
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Hold their families responsible.

Who in their right mind would sign up to be a bomber if he knew it would cause his entire family to spend the rest of their lives in jail??? Their own lives mean nothing to them, but perhaps the lives of others will.

	17-07-2005 15:22									#2
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On a practical level, seems solid.

On a moral level, I don't know yet.


EDIT: On second thought, some of these guys have already justified to themselves killing innocent people, so I'm sure they have no problem justifying their own family's misery.

	17-07-2005 15:25									#3
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These people that are filled with so much hate that they will blow themselves up to inflict pain on others had to get their ideas from somewhere. Family is the most influential group in one's life, so perhaps they are partially to blame. That should cover your moral objection

	17-07-2005 15:25									#4
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quote: Who in their right mind would sign up to be a bomber

	17-07-2005 15:26									#5
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The Israelis tried this recently by knocking down the houses of suicide bombers families. Aside from it being a basic violation of innocent peoples rights and a PR disaster (and hence an incitement to further extremists), I don't believe that it proved effective in deterring suicide bombers and the practice has been discontinued (I may be wrong here though).

	17-07-2005 15:31									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Hold their families responsible. Who in their right mind would sign up to be a bomber if he knew it would cause his entire family to spend the rest of their lives in jail??? Their own lives mean nothing to them, but perhaps the lives of others will.

Good work Mussolini And it won´t make any difference as long as they think it will please Allah...

	17-07-2005 15:48									#7
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Current AP news headlines:

Suicide Car Bombers Kill 16 People in Iraq
Minibus Explosion in Turkey Leaves 5 Dead
Iraq Suicide Blast Kills 54, Injures 82
Iraq fuel truck bomb devastates town, kills 98


yeah, calling me names is helping to solve the problem

	17-07-2005 15:52									#8
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At least as much as escalating the situation...

	17-07-2005 16:11									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak yeah, calling me names is helping to solve the problem

Just like locking up innocent people will solve the problem.

	17-07-2005 16:14									#10
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if locking up a few innocents keeps a whole lot of innocents from getting blown to pieces...i'd say it sounds utilitarian :-p

	17-07-2005 16:17									#11
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I say it sounds ridiculous. Two wrongs don't make a right, and destroying the lives of innocent people just because a member of their family strayed (which, believe it or not, may be absolutely no fault of their own!) is an absolutely terrible idea, and a shocking violation of human rights. Of course this is what it seems to be about nowadays, whirling up such a frenzy and panic that people will give away any of their basic liberties.

A plain ridiculous idea

	17-07-2005 16:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak if locking up a few innocents keeps a whole lot of innocents from getting blown to pieces.

Because locking random people up will surely dismay the people who already hate you enough to kill themselves in order to get to you.

	17-07-2005 16:26									#13
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I've got an even better idea - why not execute random people from their home towns, ten times the amount killed by the bombing. That'll learn em!

	17-07-2005 16:43									#14
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So you persecute some innocent people. This will lead to what? LESS people wanting to bomb places or MORE people signing up?

I bet it's more than less at the end of the day. Persecute my people and I'll bomb your azzez. With the exception of not blowing myself with it.

	17-07-2005 16:46									#15
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Kaak, do you really believe that locking up the families would reduce terrorism? The fanatics who blow themselves up would rationalize the misery of their family as a mere extra cost for the "greater good" they're serving.

That's the problem with fanatics.

	17-07-2005 16:49									#16
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Also if you go and lock down Bin Laden family, I don't know what will happen after that. Maybe we can knock down their houses though?

	17-07-2005 16:51									#17
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Oh, that would just thrill the Saudis...

	17-07-2005 16:59									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Kaak, do you really believe...

Spiffor...i don't really believe any of that is a good idea i just like watching the pot boil, if you will. but shhhh...don't tell anyone

	17-07-2005 17:02									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Hold their families responsible. Who in their right mind would sign up to be a bomber if he knew it would cause his entire family to spend the rest of their lives in jail??? Their own lives mean nothing to them, but perhaps the lives of others will.

No offense, but that's a stupid idea.

	17-07-2005 17:02									#20
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Kaak, do you know what the origins of the word 'decimation' are?

	17-07-2005 17:07									#21
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I thought it's from Roman times?

	17-07-2005 17:08									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Spiffor...i don't really believe any of that is a good idea i just like watching the pot boil, if you will. but shhhh...don't tell anyone

ok

	17-07-2005 17:15									#23
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I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

	17-07-2005 17:28									#25
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On seeing the title of this thread, I somehow knew that i was in for some rightwing, anti-civil liberties, ill thought out, counter productive idea.

Seems I'm psychic

	17-07-2005 17:34									#26
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I suggest we spread forms around. The form will ask two simple questions.

1. are you a terrorist? yes/no

2. Were you honest? yes/no.

This way we catch the stupid terrorists, and the smart ones, well, they lied, so we don't have to feed them at prisons if we take them for questioning.

Next step. Take everyone into questioning.

Guaranteed to work.

	17-07-2005 17:39									#27
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Zulu Ele clearly didn't read the whole thread

	17-07-2005 17:44									#28
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I did.

It is that sort of an idea (whether it was a troll or not)

	17-07-2005 17:51									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Spiffor...i don't really believe any of that is a good idea i just like watching the pot boil, if you will. but shhhh...don't tell anyone

Good back tracking.

	17-07-2005 17:55									#30
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Yeah Ludd, he realises just how f**kwitted his idea was and now he is backpeddling...