21-07-2005 19:07									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Max Webster I thought Ontario's auto industry existed was because it was right next door to Detroit and the big three. Its a logistics thing with everything involving car making in concentrated spot. If Detroit was on Albertas border than probably it would have a big car industry.

Why would they make all the cars in Canada as well as just south of Detroit?

The autopact is what gave Ontario its huge auto industry, and its proximity to Detroit is why Ontario got all of the factories and not other provinces...

quote: Canada-United States Automotive Agreement more commonly known as the Auto Pact was an important trade agreement between Canada and the United States. It was signed by Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson and President Lyndon B. Johnson in January of 1965. [1] It removed tariffs on cars, trucks, buses, tires, and automotive parts between the two countries, greatly benefiting the large American car makers. In exchange the big three car makers (GM, Ford, Chrysler) agreed that automobile production in Canada would not fall below 1964 levels and that for every five new cars sold in Canada three new ones would be made there. Before the Auto Pact the North American automobile industry was highly segregated. Because of tariffs only three percent of vehicles sold in Canada were made in the United States, but most of the parts were manufactured in the U.S. and overall Canada was in a large trade deficit with the States in the automobile sector. The Pact saw vast and immediate changes. Canada began to produce far fewer different models of cars. Instead, much larger branch plants producing only one model for all of North America were constructed. In 1964, only seven percent of vehicles made in Canada were sent south of the border, but, by 1968, this was sixty percent. By the same date, forty percent of cars purchased in Canada were now made in the United States. Overall the agreement was of great benefit to Canadian workers and consumers. The more efficient market lowered prices and the increased production created thousands of jobs and wages as the auto industry rose. Automobile and parts production quickly surpassed pulp and paper to become Canada's most important industry. The trade deficit has turned into a trade surplus worth billions of dollars annually to Canada. At the same time there are important disadvantages to this arragement. It left the Canadian automobile industry firmly in the hands of American corporations. Unlike, for instance, Sweden with Volvo Cars and Saab Automobile, Canada has no domestic car makers, despite a long history of Canadian car companies. The agreement also led to the creation of almost exclusively blue collar jobs. Administration and research and development remained in the United States. The agreement also prevents Canada from pursuing free trade in automobiles with other nations, such as Japan. The growth has also been very regionally skewed with southern Ontario overwhelmingly being the main centre of production. The Auto Pact was abolished in 2004 after a WTO ruling declared it illegal, though by that time NAFTA and other agreements had made it largely irrelevant.

The only reason Ontario has the auto industry it has today was because of an illegal agreement in 1965...it's not something to brag about.

	21-07-2005 19:24									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Max Webster But anyway I just don't understand why you want to seperate. Sometimes it seems just a ploy to hold the country at ransom to get what Quebec wants. Sometimes Quebec seems so self centred and only thinks about itself. It seems insulting to the rest of us. Like we are not good enough or something.

To make things clear, i'm not myself a seperatist. I'm an english speaking Quebecer who loves Canada

I have a friend who could probably tell you every reason why he wants Quebec to seperate. But he loves Canada too and would gladly stay if he thinks Quebec is getting fair treatment. Right now, i think if we had a referendum, he might vote No.

On the other hand, there are the fiery, scary seperatists, who want all the english and all the imigrants out. Their border-line (if not all out) racists. These are the people that nobody wants around, but we deal with.

For alot of seperatists, they dont dislike Canada in any way, they just want a chance to run everything, be Sovereign, all that jazz. For another bunch of seperatists, its become personal. I couldnt tell you why.

Meh, i dont feel like threadjacking anymore.

	21-07-2005 19:26									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot I have a friend who could probably tell you every reason why he wants Quebec to seperate. But he loves Canada too and would gladly stay if he thinks Quebec is getting fair treatment. Right now, i think if we had a referendum, he might vote No.

Quebec is getting more than fair treatment, they've consistently leached off of Canada.

	21-07-2005 19:30									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Asher As Alberta's population expands its politics are becoming more diverse. Look at the 2004 election results...the Liberals got like 220% more seats, NDP seats doubled...

I agree with both these statements but it still doesn't change the fact that Alberta has had one party rule for decades while much smaller provinces have had much greater representation of 2-3 parties.

Oh and I don't claim that it has necessarily led to better government

	24-07-2005 06:33									#65
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I spent 10 years living in Alberta. I'm happy to be back in Manitoba.

Real estate, food, electricity, insurance and most consumer goods are cheaper here. And we don't have to pay for healthcare.

	24-07-2005 06:40									#66
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quote: And we don't have to pay for healthcare.

	24-07-2005 09:16									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Sparky Real estate, food, electricity, insurance and most consumer goods are cheaper here. And we don't have to pay for healthcare.

There's no taxes in Manitoba?? Wow.

The reason everything is cheaper there is it's the shitstain of Canada. Winnipeg especially.