15-09-2005 07:30									#61
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Ok what did I do wrong? I went into the editor, and added two new civs: Bab1 and Bab2. Both matched Babylon. I made those three the playable civs, changed the biq's decription, and saved.

When I loaded it to play, only Babylon and Random were available. I went back to the editor and my Bab's were gone! What gives? Do I need to delete other civs first?

Once I get past this I should be good to go.

	15-09-2005 18:07									#62
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Barb Level Raging

Monarch difficulty. We got a bunch of n00bs playing.

If you can't get it to work where we are all babylon then just do different civs. No seafring and no agriculture traits.

	15-09-2005 19:15									#63
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I had seen something similar, over at another site. They had to mod the rules and change standard civs toi something else. Something like German Iroquois and Persian Iroquois or something like that. But it's possible to do.

E_T

	15-09-2005 19:18									#64
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Sure. But do I need to delete the extra civs before saving? It looks like my new civs were just dropped off the bottom of the list.

I'll have to wait until tonight.

	16-09-2005 04:10									#65
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I believe you are limited to around 30 civs total. Since this many are already present in Conquests, you will need to replace civs with copies of Babylon.

As for the map, I'd say either post the minimap for all to see, or just generate a random one when setting up the game.

	16-09-2005 21:45									#66
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I would like to give this a try also. I'm a complete newbie to PBEM. I have been wary ever since bad experiences with Warcraft2 online and certainly with Diablo. I did not care for the cheating, the exploitation of game flaws, and the adolescent ranting and abuse I had to endure. I think that you folks are decent enough to make this a positive experience.

I'm not a Civ newb though. I've been playing SP on random maps with random cultures at Demi with relative success - not always winning. For some reason, I have not gotten over the hump for beating Deity yet.

Any anticipated lift off date?


Golden Bear

	16-09-2005 22:28									#67
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I think you'll definitely have a more positive experience with Civ3 PBEM than with Warcraft/Diablo. (Or with the C3CDG, for that matter...) I have mostly seen mature behavior in my PBEMs, and if there's been cheating I have not been able to find it.

We may want to be clear about exploitation of game flaws... one person's strategem is another's exploit. I believe there are some good lists in the PBEM forum about where the game's bounds can be stretched and which of those strategies should probably be considered exploits.

	16-09-2005 23:41									#68
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Welcome aboard Golden Bear. I will set you up in the game.

Progress is being made. I did some reasearch on different dieties and figures in Babylonian/Sumerian/Akkadian history. It all blends together.

Beta ask to start "next week". I'll get the game going this weekend.

Can we post our emails here again?

theidiots@yahoo.com

	16-09-2005 23:59									#69
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michaeldnelson A T gmail D O T com

	17-09-2005 00:04									#70
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cbeetz@comcast.net
carl.beetz@hp.com

I would appreciate it if people email to both at the same time.


Golden Bear

	17-09-2005 02:24									#71
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e_t_civ AT rockbandit DOT net.

E_T

	17-09-2005 09:11									#72
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The scenerio is looking good. Tribes are named after major gods. Leaders are mythical people or minor gods. City lists only contain the city that the god's temple was found in or the city of that leader. I figured that after that we'd want our own names anyway.

I just need your desired color. Edit this post & list below.

Skrobism
theidiots@yahoo.com
ANY COLOR

Conmcb25 & Saeva
Purple

Beta


Planet & E_T
e_t_civ AT rockbandit DOT net
Purpleish Blue


Kloreep
kloreep@gmail.com
Babylonian Blue.

Shogun Gunner
michaeldnelson A T gmail D O T com

Golden Bear
cbeetz@comcast.net carl.beetz@hp.com
Color = Blue, or better yet, that sort of Teal Blue

Last edited by skrobism on 18-09-2005 at 07:37

	17-09-2005 19:20									#73
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Purple (If it exists) or Red for scaeva and I.

I dont think you need to worry about cheating. I know at least some of us very well from Apoly, Beta, E_T, Kloreep, etc. and cheating wont be an issue.

It is light years different than Diablo online, I know I used to play it

By the way Beta REALLY sucks, so if you want to pick a fight in this PBEM he is the obvious candidate

	17-09-2005 20:05									#74
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quote: Originally posted by skrobism Beta ask to start "next week". I'll get the game going this weekend. theidiots@yahoo.com

Make Beta last in line and start this sooner. Thyat way, we won't have to wait on him for our first move.

Also, if we are going to have 7 Tribes, I suggest Standard Map size.

E_T

	17-09-2005 20:27									#75
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Does anybody want to throw down a quick list of non useable exploits?

	17-09-2005 20:38									#76
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Basically, the ones listed in the PBEM forum.

But the rule of thmb is, if it's a possible exploit, don't use it. One would be Phoney Wars, used to trigger GA's and Generate MGL's. So, a big N O to that.

Another is goto and automatic movement that can allow some players 2 moves in that one turn. Say your 2 tiles away from a mountain that both you and your opponent are racing for, for good defensive ground, during a war. Your 2 tiles away and he is 1. Your after him, but before the year change. You have the unit move to that and at the end of the last players turn, all auto move is done, so you get there before he does. But he shpuld habe been able to get there first.

President for not allowing (besides general not allowed) - PTWISDG game, Webringen vs CGN war. Webringen had to replay their turn.

E_T

	17-09-2005 23:05									#77
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Yeah, go for a standard map if we have 7.

	18-09-2005 08:28									#78
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Very close to starting. Look for a new thread and a save tomorrow.

	19-09-2005 08:22									#79
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We are only moments away!

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...648#post4017648

	19-09-2005 10:25									#80
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Question, I've got the save and there might be a small Problem.

I can build the following Units:
Impi
Scout
Enkidu Warrior
Crusader
Ancient Cav.
Chasqui Scout
Hoplite
Numedian Merc
And standard Warrior.

and Princes??

Is this supposed to be like this??

E_T

	19-09-2005 10:40									#81
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Heh, that does sound like a bit of a problem...

	19-09-2005 19:15									#82
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oh cr4p

I'll look at the scenerio tonight and we can restart.

Sorry!

	19-09-2005 21:11									#83
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Oops!

Utanapishtim? Did I get him/her because you think that I have the best keyboard skills (because of my long posts)? That name is a mouthful.

Thanks for the work pulling this cool stuff together.

AND, tada, I'm nearly finished with a Diety win with the Maya. I'm very pleased with myself. Man, you really have to play from way behind at this level. But once I got ToE, it became very much like any other game - cavalry vs. riflemen works as long as you keep mass producing cav. I thought that I would need to go for Diplo, but once I had to fight off the first AI attack I was in such good position for conquest, I changed my strategy. Although I am torn - domination win at 1450 or go for high points with spaceship about 1600. I'm probably too lazy to do the latter.


Golden Bear

Last edited by Golden Bear on 19-09-2005 at 21:47

	20-09-2005 08:25									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Heh, that does sound like a bit of a problem...

Hey, I don't mind, it would make for a very interesting game.... if anything, different... As long as I don't trigger GA's with most of them.

E_T

	20-09-2005 19:12									#85
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The problem is that when using the Conquests editor I cannot just copy an existing civ. The other problem is that this is my first scenerio. I discovered that I can use the CivMultiTool to modify the the scenerio. I will have to start over but that should be easier and quicker than using the editor that Fireaxis provides.

Please look for more issues and let me know.

I know the delay sucks but give me a another night to fix this.

	20-09-2005 19:20									#86
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NP, I'm patient.

E_T

	20-09-2005 21:21									#87
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Yep, no problem.

	20-09-2005 21:33									#88
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Has anyone here ever done scenerio building? I noticed a very strange behavior of this Conquests Editor. I restarted building this scenerio from the ground up.

(Tribes v2.0b0) - I copied nochanges.biq using Editor
(Tribes v2.0b1) - Then I deleted all the civs except for Babylon and Barbs using Editor.
(Tribes v2.0b2) - I used CivMultiTool to copy the Babylonian civ 8 times.

The available units seem to get goofed up as soon as I change things within Editor. The units available to build 1 are different than build 0.

I think tonight I need to go through each unit to reassign to or remove from Babylon. Any ideas? Any other rules that get goofed up?

	20-09-2005 21:52									#89
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I haven't used the CivMultiTool much and hardly at all in .biq editing, so I'm afraid I can't help.

	20-09-2005 22:23									#90
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You would think this would be very simple to do. Why would anyone build an editor that cannot copy a civ, unit, or tech? Why would the Editor change the attributes of Civ A just because Civs B,C,D, & E were deleted?

The MultiTool looks like it will save a ton of time. Wish I looked at it sooner. I hope that all I have left is to go through the unit settings tonight.