23-07-2005 07:33									#61
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... but it is also about men who would find advantages forming small communities of like minded men where they could dominate their docile women and rear their own sex slaves to trade amongst themselves.

	23-07-2005 08:45									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Where's the "I wish I were a polygamist" option?

Believe me when I say you don't.

	23-07-2005 11:33									#63
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The only issue I'd have with Polygamy would be the legal sidef of things. After all, since sex outside of marriage is no longer particularly a problem, the only difference between a man living with six women but not married to any of them, and a man living with six women but married to all of them, or two, or whatever, is that in the polygamy scenario, which is ILLEGAL, the women and the man would all gain the 'legal' benefits of marriage - ie, health insurance provided by the man's job, joint tax filing status, things like that. Those benefits probably shouldn't accrue completely to all wives/husbands; or should be regulated in such a way as is fair to monogamous pairs. However, between the rarity of people desiring polygamy (pretty rare, regardless of our young Kuci here) and the complexity already extant in such laws/etc. (instead of three tiers of health insurance, there's a fourth variable tier?), it's unlikely laws will ever allow polygamy per se simply because it's not worth the trouble for the state.

So i'd say the state should allow all of the nonfiduciary benefits of marriage to apply to as many people as you choose, men or women or whatever, but the monetary benefits should only apply to one pair, or should have some particularly obvious and derivative method of application.

	23-07-2005 12:05									#64
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And what when one spouse is telling the doctors to save the patient, but the other is telling them not to take heroic measures? Who do the doctors listen to?

	23-07-2005 12:09									#65
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When a woman has three husbands, one rich and two not so much.

The children of the rich father have it all. The children of the others not so much.

Sounds like a formula for familial bliss if you ask me.

But then the rich father kicks the bucket. You would assume that a father would want his estate to benefit his children, yes? What does mom do with that mess?

	23-07-2005 12:15									#66
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Three women are married to a serviceman. There are seven children. Dad gets killed on active duty. The state pays orphan's benefits for seven children?

Widows benefits for three wives? Do they each get a third of a share?

	23-07-2005 12:22									#67
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nye giving all the practical reasons why this is stupid also

(I disagree with it on a more fundamental level, in that I odn't think the state shuold be supporting relationships which are not going to add to the stability and happiness of the people (which overall marriage does))

JM
(reason why I think that homosexuals should be able to marry is because they aren't being allowed that, so now all 'natural' sexualities are included, I am fine)

(and don't argue to me that panamory is a 'natural' sexuality, those who are other sexualities (as long as they aren't pedo, or beast only, or something else ****ed up) can still get married to someone they want to, so there is not a problem with inclusion)

	23-07-2005 13:13									#68
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither And what when one spouse is telling the doctors to save the patient, but the other is telling them not to take heroic measures? Who do the doctors listen to?

the oldest wife

	23-07-2005 13:16									#69
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Three women are married to a serviceman. There are seven children. Dad gets killed on active duty. The state pays orphan's benefits for seven children? Widows benefits for three wives? Do they each get a third of a share?

this is no different if the guy had 3 wives and 7 children at separate timese.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the military gives out orphans benefits.

That's what SGLI is for. As for SGLI (life insurance), you can split it evenly between the wives.

	23-07-2005 13:58									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley This and many of its other associated problems can be solved if an equal number of women are married to multiple men.

That's not going to happen. You only need to look at the disasters that befell many communes to know what a daft idea it is. What will happen is that a few men will accrue several wives, leaving other men out in the cold. They won't take this very well at all, and a rise in criminal behaviour from said men is inevitable.

A few women will marry more than one man, but sheer biology means that polygamy tends to suit men more than women.

In theory, things like polygamy and polyamory sound fine, and there are always a few people who could probably make it work in a non-exploitative way, but for most people it will be a disaster waiting to happen, and it's simply more efficient to ban it for everyone.

	23-07-2005 14:03									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon That's not going to happen. You only need to look at the disasters that befell many communes to know what a daft idea it is. What will happen is that a few men will accrue several wives, leaving other men out in the cold. They won't take this very well at all, and a rise in criminal behaviour from said men is inevitable. A few women will marry more than one man, but sheer biology means that polygamy tends to suit men more than women. In theory, things like polygamy and polyamory sound fine, and there are always a few people who could probably make it work in a non-exploitative way, but for most people it will be a disaster waiting to happen, and it's simply more efficient to ban it for everyone.

I believe the human world has many similarities to the animal world. Though evidence has shown humans to be more mongamous than most animals. But I bring this animal point up because of your comment about violence.

The men with the many wives will more than likely be the strongest of the men. The weaker men are unlikely to challenge the dominate male. though they could team together with another weak male and make a run for him.

I often wonder about why there seem to be so few women available. And it seems to me that a majority of women are going after just a few men. Look at those personal adds on AOl love or something. Nearly every single woman says they are looking for an Alpha male. Even the ugly ones want alpha males (like they are going to get them :lol. Women are not attracted to weak men.

	23-07-2005 15:05									#72
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A workable polygamy should work like the EU: unanimity must be had for every new member in the union

	23-07-2005 23:49									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Dis The men with the many wives will more than likely be the strongest of the men. The weaker men are unlikely to challenge the dominate male. though they could team together with another weak male and make a run for him. .

Or they could buy a gun.

Monogamy is the accepted way for a reason.

	23-07-2005 23:58									#74
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Dis Last I checked Woman outpopulated then men. There are women out there which brings up Jon Millers question how do you find one. But back to pologamy, why is it necesaary in these relationsships to be married if these folks want to live like this why dont they just all shack up??? I dont think I have ever heard of laws preveting these folks to live together

	24-07-2005 00:15									#75
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Legal reasons - if you are married a lot of things are different such as who benefits in case of death etc. Oh, and then there are the childrens - a never ending warzone

	24-07-2005 00:39									#76
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BC Is that something, a will can clarify?? Including appointing an excuator that will be responsible to disperse the estate to all those listed as heirs etc?? Im sure the survivor benefits as far as I know list this man as the childs father, the mother in question will recieve benefits in that childs name

	24-07-2005 00:57									#77
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There are several aspects in this. Primarily, any questions about common childrens are void. Same for certain insurances (actually, you can have a life insurance bout if you aren't married with the person you have lived with for the past 20 years, you get zero ) .

And no (I guess it's bad english to start a sentence this way ) wills can only in special circumstances redirect things.

Oh, don't take me as a witness in an american court, all I have written concerns danish legalty

	24-07-2005 01:28									#78
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I thought as long as you are the benefaciary on that life insurance nothing except foul play could not let you get it. Goes to show How much I might know bout life insurance

	24-07-2005 01:28									#79
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quote: Dis Last I checked Woman outpopulated then men.

Mostly because tehy live older. There are more boys born than girls (strange as it may seem).
Now anyone read Typee? It seems polyandry did happen where a woman had an old (rich) husband and a younger husband.

	24-07-2005 01:52									#80
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quote: Problem is, under current law, if x goes into debt, the creditor can go after Y's assets. Which presumably means Y can be forced to use Ts assets to pay off X's debt, even though T never consented to the marriag to X.

You've seen a way out, I hope. You change the law so that creditors can only attach for those with privity of marriage contract with the individual. So they can only go after who X entered into a marriage contract with.

	24-07-2005 02:01									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I thought as long as you are the benefaciary on that life insurance nothing except foul play could not let you get it. Goes to show How much I might know bout life insurance

you are correct.

	24-07-2005 02:02									#82
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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare Mostly because tehy live older. There are more boys born than girls (strange as it may seem). Now anyone read Typee? It seems polyandry did happen where a woman had an old (rich) husband and a younger husband.

I've always heard women are 51% of the birthrate.

	24-07-2005 03:04									#83
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quote: I've always heard women are 51% of the birthrate.

It's the opposite. 105 males for 100 females. But males tend to die younger thus there tends to be a balance when children reach adulthood. Afterwards, wars and old age are also harder on men thus there are more women. We should therefore allow polygamy so the male newborns who will die at 2 can marry two old maidens who're almost a century old and would otherwise never enjoy marriage.

	24-07-2005 03:41									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Since an alleged reduction in violence is your standard and not freedom, why not just force women to marry men they dont want to marry?

because that would fall the other way as well, forcing men to marry women they don't want to marry. If you want to forment a violent revolution, This could be the way to go.

	24-07-2005 04:41									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor in most countries where polygamy is actually practiced, it tends to be a tool for male domination.

Which is why I'm not a strong supporter of legalization of polygamy.

	24-07-2005 05:02									#86
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i want many women i want many
i want many blondes brunettes
a german to have for nanny
A greek to hold in my embrace
i want many women i want many
i want many and from all the races
A turkish so she can hold my nargileh
a spanish to dance for me ole
i want many women i want many
i want many blondes and brunettes
an african so i can send her to work
an american so i can take her money
i want many women i want many
i want many and from all the races

(kiouproulis)

	24-07-2005 12:06									#87
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Which is why I'm not a strong supporter of legalization of polygamy.

it makes no sense to me, but what do I know about women.

It seems to me when you have more women than men, they can gang up on the man. How could the man abuse the women?

	24-07-2005 12:11									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Dis It seems to me when you have more women than men, they can gang up on the man. How could the man abuse the women?

The fact that in many countries, that one, single man has ultimate authority over all of his "wives" in similar vein that a single slaveowner held control over all of his slaves on his plantation.

Just because the master is outnumbered, does not mean he lacks resources and means to exert his control.

	24-07-2005 12:28									#89
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun The fact that in many countries, that one, single man has ultimate authority over all of his "wives" in similar vein that a single slaveowner held control over all of his slaves on his plantation. Just because the master is outnumbered, does not mean he lacks resources and means to exert his control.

my poll doesn't refer to 3rd world and middle eastern countries that treat women like dogshit, and they have the laws to back them up. Women can't do **** in Africa, or the middle east. The laws are against them.

The poll mainly refers to the countries most of us live in. U.S., Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand, bunch of weird scandinavian folks, China, Japan, S. Korea, France, Greece. I think that's most of them. There are a few posters from other countries than those.

	25-07-2005 21:20									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor A workable polygamy should work like the EU: unanimity must be had for every new member in the union

and unanimity for every major decision.