22-07-2005 18:41									#1
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... real RPG.

The Elder Scrolls III Morrowind (Game of the Year Edition).

Includes full versions of Bloodmoon and Tribunal... What are those, expansion packs or the game itself?

I've held it many a time in my hand, with the urge to buy it...

Flip or flop? Is it enjoyable in SP or do you have to go on-line to appreciate it?

Carolus

	22-07-2005 19:06									#2
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There is no multiplayer, and whether it is enjoyable in SP or not is a matter of opinion.


Personally, I'm not a fan. Morrowind is a good idea but the game world just isn't appealing to me - the atmosphere is dull, and ambience is non-existant.

	22-07-2005 19:18									#3
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I loved Morrowind because I immersed myself completely in that world, and enjoyed every minute of it. However, as Ludd said, it's a matter of opinion: the NPCs are dull, and the openness of the game can be a minus for those who like clear directions.

	22-07-2005 21:26									#4
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Hm... Two different opinions on the game world...

Excuse a RPG beginner (and/or someone that has a problem with the ever increasing use of abbreviations), but what are NPCs?

At the back of the cover there is this character... A firm yet friendly face... Whenever I had the game in my hand, I felt I had to go meet that character...

The pictures make me think of the world in the novel Inversions by Iain M Banks (medieval technology and feudal states...); don't know why really...

Anyway, I'm looking forward to going in there! Especially since I like it when it's not directed and I can move around more freely...

Carolus

	22-07-2005 21:29									#5
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NPC= Non-Player Character, in other words, everyone you meet in the game is an NPC.

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	22-07-2005 21:31									#6
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Bloodmoon and Tribunal are expansions, you don't need to do them to complete the main quest, they do, however expand the playing area.

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	22-07-2005 22:51									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski NPC= Non-Player Character, in other words, everyone you meet in the game is an NPC.

And in Morrowind's case, everyone you meet in the game is the same NPC. For the most part.

	22-07-2005 23:09									#8
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I haven't played it, but I don't think it looks right for me. Most people that like it have a strange taste in games, which is always a bad sign.

	23-07-2005 02:04									#9
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give it a try. But if at first you don't like it, come back to it.

It took me 3 attempts before I learned to like the game.

Initially it isn't appealing, because I had no idea what to do. And my character seemed to really suck. Everything kicked his ass. It can be daunting at first. The cities are so big.

In a city like Vivec, I wouldn't even bother trying to talk to everyone. Just do your business there and leave. Most of the important areas are in the foreign quarter. Joshuas rare books is an important place in the foreign quarter of Vivec. It's below the fighters and mages guilds. 2 other useful places (if you happen to be part of those guilds)

Joining the mages guild is useful if only to use the teleportation system to get around. And even if you aren't a mage, it pays to get your mysticism up to 30 or 40 or so, and learn the mark and recall spells. It helps when doing quests. Set a mark spell next to the quest giver. Do your quest, then cast the recall spell to appear next to the quest giver to finish your quest.

	23-07-2005 02:05									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I haven't played it, but I don't think it looks right for me. Most people that like it have a strange taste in games, which is always a bad sign.

	23-07-2005 02:10									#11
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I don't usually recommend FAQ guides, but in this case look for a beginners guide. That's what really helped me learn the game and learn what the heck I'm supposed to do.

it will take you through the first part of the game. it has some minor spoilers, but only for the beginning part of the game. It will help you learn how to do quests (and make money) and learn how to build up your skills and get equipment.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...nd_beginner.txt

	23-07-2005 02:17									#12
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One more thing I must mention. If you happen to install Tribunal you will have some events happen. It may be advisable to not install Tribunal for you first run through the game. These events can be tough. The only disadvantage is the expansion gives you a little better quest management in your journal. And it allows you to place markers on the map. Really the 2 main features of the expansions. There are some minor spoilers related to Tribunal below:

You will be attacked by assassins. These attacks happen far too early a level for my tastes. Make sure you check the save before resting in the options. If you die, just reload and try to rest again. Eventually you will be able to rest without being attacked.

There's a way to make the attacks stop without having to clear out all the assassins in their hideout. But it requires you to survive an attack you get after resting. Once you survive (and save it when you finally do kill one), talk to any guard and ask him about it. He will point you to ebonhart. The easiest way to get there is go to seyda neen and take the road south, or go to vivec and cross the water. (though you may also be able to get there by boat, I keep forgetting to check which cities will take you there by boat). The guards will tell you to talk to a man. He's usually up near the bridge going to the main castle. He will point you to a mage inside who will teleport you to Tribunal. He's inside (accross the bridge) wearing a red robe. Teleport to tribunal. Go up the stairs and ask about the brotherhood. They should tell you to go into the sewers in the great bazaar. I believe this is all you have to do to make the attacks stop. You don't actually have to clear out the seweres (which an be extrememely tough until you are level 30 or 40)

	23-07-2005 04:36									#13
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Morrowind is similar to real life - there are only a few people in any given area that have something original to say, the rest just repeat what others have said.

Tribunal also lets you "max sale" so you don't need to hold + down to sell things for full price. Nice, but possibly not worth the price of annoying assassins constantly attacking.

Morrowind has personality, but you need to get away from the starting area to find it. With many different books, quite a few characters that are memorable and many many beautiful cities, it is not hard to be immeresed in the game.

	23-07-2005 04:55									#14
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I just come back from a nightly walk in the park under gentle rain (in an area of the park where I never went before), and as I advanced along the serpentine pathes, I could only think of the Ascadian Isles

(But then again, on the way back, I went through an area of office blocks and I thought of GTA )

	23-07-2005 05:03									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Dis give it a try. But if at first you don't like it, come back to it.

Ok, I will. Promise.

quote: Originally posted by Dis Set a mark spell next to the quest giver. Do your quest, then cast the recall spell to appear next to the quest giver to finish your quest.

Wow... You could as well have written that in chinese... That RPG lingo is frightening...

Thanks for your effort, Dis!

Carolus

	23-07-2005 05:07									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Morrowind has personality, but you need to get away from the starting area to find it. With many different books, quite a few characters that are memorable and many many beautiful cities, it is not hard to be immeresed in the game.

Sounds good! I want to be enchanted by a beautiful computer-generated world, where hours just pass by while I'm exploring it...

Carolus

	23-07-2005 13:33									#17
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there's plenty of exploration. sometimes I just get the urge to see what's over the next hill. Or I see a path, and follow it to see where it goes.

Sometimes you can find cool stuff. Like wrecked ships with treasure on board. Though sometimes when you find this stuff, you are already such a high level, most of the stuff isn't that useful. Though gold is usually useful. But after a certain point, (especially if you don't use gold for trainers), you really don't need much gold.

If you don't like to steal people's things for gold, you can pearl dive in the ocean (and sea) waters. And then sell the pearls. Or just go exploring caves and such.

Some good skills to take are long blade, light or heavy armour (not a huge difference, just in weight), as a secondary weapon skill I suggest blunt weapon or short blade (as there are a couple of quest related items that use this, or go for marksmanship and use bows, security is useful, or if you would rather use spells go for alteration. Even if you aren't a thief, sometimes it's useful to hide. I prefer to use spells for this. Illusion is the spell school to take.

I like to take armorer, because in some of the tougher areas of the game (esp. the expansions), your equipement will get damaged alot, it's good to be able to repair it in the field rather than going back to town. but it's not absolutely necessary, it's easy to find people in town to repair your items.

as for other spells chools Mysticism is useful for teleportation. Restoration is useful for healing and correcting you stats that get drained. But you can rely on potions if you don't want to take that spell school. Destruction ecompasses most of your offensive spell schools, but you'll find using a melee weapon is more effective, but destruction can be useful for groups of enemies, or taking them out at range. Summoning is just as it sounds- summoning creatures to help you in battle. Alchemy and Enchanting are useful, but for your first time through, I wouldn't concentrate too much on those. It's tough to explain how they work.

	23-07-2005 14:45									#18
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Someone (Jam maybe) said Morrowind was a big beautiful world, unfortunately with nothing in it.

	24-07-2005 02:08									#19
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not true, there are lots of cliff racers in it.

	24-07-2005 06:17									#20
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Not Jam, he has not played Morrowind.


There are a few differences in armour. The heavier ones, as well as giving better protection than medium or light of the same value, also protect you from blows more. Also, with their higher durability (generally) they last longer in a battle than other armours. If you repair after each battle, it doesn't affect much but the less hits on your character certainly have an effect.

The type of armour on your feet also affects how well you can sneak.

Here is one good hint though: Take repair drongs rather than repair hammers - they are cheaper, lighter and can be used 25 time rather than 20. Each time they repair they repair less, but at low skills that is not important.

	24-07-2005 06:46									#21
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morrowind is the RPG with the most freedom thus far, unfortunately there are no characters with interesting quests, or chars that have interesting stuff to say...

the new oblivion from elder scrolls looks great though, I hope they've done more to solve that problem

	24-07-2005 12:32									#22
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I found the nevererine prophecies intersting. The NPC's with the most intersting things to say are the wise women up at the ashlanders camp. I can't remember the name of the camp, it's the one associated with the main quest (though I realize you have to visit the others as well)

	24-07-2005 13:16									#23
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I think Morrowind is similar to real life in many ways. There are some people who have an interesting, original comment to make. Most people, however, just recycle the opinions of others with a slightly different wording.

	24-07-2005 13:37									#24
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I actually didn't mind the sparsness of Morrowind ... wished it was faster to traverse occasionally, sure, but it's quite realistic in that - to the extent that any fantasy RPG will be realistic - you don't hit a monster every ten feet; instead, you walk along, dum-de-dum-de-dum, for several minutes, and suddenly you spot a monster ... or one spots you ... Much more reasonable, and interesting, than say Guild Wars, where you can look at a map you've never seen before and pretty easily identify where monsters will be right from the start

	24-07-2005 14:01									#25
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet I think Morrowind is similar to real life in many ways. There are some people who have an interesting, original comment to make. Most people, however, just recycle the opinions of others with a slightly different wording.

I agree. Morrowind is very similar to real life in many ways. There are some people who make interesting, original comments. Most people, though, just recycle the opinions of others with a slightly different wording.

	24-07-2005 16:44									#26
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet I think Morrowind is similar to real life in many ways. There are some people who have an interesting, original comment to make. Most people, however, just recycle the opinions of others with a slightly different wording.

Carolus

	27-07-2005 07:52									#29
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Thread has hit rock bottom and started digging ...

I'm a big fan but I will admit that it can get a bit repetitive after a while.
That main island really is huge and, although there are a lot of interesting places to see there is a lot more ... 'not quite so interesting' terrain to traverse to get there.

You have to be a little careful in not installing too many mods too. I did this and ended up unable to start a new game.


Something I'd recommend reading before you do too much ...

http://users.adelphia.net/~amito/MW.htm

	27-07-2005 09:23									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns