24-07-2005 03:19									#31
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quote: if they pay all that money for an inferior product.

How is removing fighting making the NHL an 'inferior product'? Fighting is a distraction from the actual game. Removing it would make it a superior product.

quote: We've been told over and over again, that Americans don't like ties.

Even though our most popular sport, American football, has ties?

	24-07-2005 03:30									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: if they pay all that money for an inferior product. How is removing fighting making the NHL an 'inferior product'? Fighting is a distraction from the actual game. Removing it would make it a superior product. quote: We've been told over and over again, that Americans don't like ties. Even though our most popular sport, American football, has ties?

While this is true, how many ties have there been in the last 20 years? Maybe 4?

The way football is scored makes ties a rare occurence. Which actually makes them exciting to watch.

After further review, there have been 9 ties in the NFL in the last 20 years.

ACK!

	24-07-2005 04:04									#33
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quote: How is removing fighting making the NHL an 'inferior product'? Fighting is a distraction from the actual game. Removing it would make it a superior product.

In your eyes, perhaps, but you have to look at the overall market.

	24-07-2005 04:16									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi In your eyes, perhaps, but you have to look at the overall market.

I don't see many Canadians leaving the sport because they've banned fighting. Maybe Don Cherry, but he's a wacko anyway.

Tubs, true, but when it does happen you get all this outrage that the game ended in a tie! It's accepted as part of the game.

	24-07-2005 04:57									#35
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Just look at what happened at the all star game.

And so far the folks who want fighting seem to outnumber you 2:1

	24-07-2005 05:02									#36
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On this thread perhaps... but the fanbase is much larger.

quote: Just look at what happened at the all star game.

That was because they decided to do it in the middle of the game. They changed the rules after the game started. Totally different.

	24-07-2005 05:36									#37
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Like the changes

So happy they didn't increase playoff teams to 20. THAT would have been ridiculous

	24-07-2005 05:39									#38
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Fighting is part of hockey. If you don't like it, form your own sissy league full of American players who don't want to mess up their pretty little faces.

Let the real men play hockey as it was intended.

	24-07-2005 06:18									#39
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Bull.

To stop a hockey game to have a fight is much like having a game of Civ suddenly and inexplicably interrupted by a level of Half-Life, where the outcome has no bearing whatsoever on the game of Civ.

	24-07-2005 06:23									#40
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Wow, you think a hockey game is turn based?

	24-07-2005 06:35									#41
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Well, with all the clutching and grabbing and scrums and fights, it may as well be.

	24-07-2005 06:40									#42
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Hey, here's the draft order. Vancouver did very well.

1. Pittsburgh

2. Anaheim

3. Carolina

4. Minnesota

5. Montreal

6. Columbus

7. Chicago

8. Atlanta

9. Ottawa

10. Vancouver

11. Los Angeles

12. San Jose

13. Buffalo

14. Washington

15. New York Islanders

16. New York Rangers

17. Phoenix

18. Nashville

19. Detroit

20. Philadelphia

21. Toronto

22. Boston

23. New Jersey

24. St. Louis

25. Edmonton

26. Calgary

27. Colorado

28. Dallas

29. Florida

30. Tampa Bay

	24-07-2005 06:53									#43
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I'm glad Crosby isn't going to the Rangers. The conspiracy chatter would have wrecked the NHL before it got back off the ground.

Poor Florida. Seriously, look at the bottom three--no way on God's green Earth should there even be hockey teams in those places.

	24-07-2005 07:01									#44
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Pittsburgh is weird though, them getting Mario and now Crosby.

	24-07-2005 07:03									#45
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Well it's not a big market, and as much as I love Mario, he doesn't have much left in the tank.

	24-07-2005 07:07									#46
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It'll be interesting though, being back home with my dad, and watching the games again. I'm looking forward to seeing these Canucks again, and hopefully they will be able to challenge for the Stanley cup this year. But who knows? Everyone will be changing teams.

	24-07-2005 07:09									#47
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Yeah, it's going to be very, very interesting this year. Even if it weren't for all the rule changes, the roster shuffle is going to make things almost impossible to predict.

	24-07-2005 07:30									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi You are gambling that American hockey fans need these changes in order to cheer for hockey. I'm not sure that is at all the case. I mean, look at Bobby Orr. People cheer for players that come from the areas where they are from, and Americans will cheer for American born players.

That's it! I am calling Grapes right now! I'm going to have him advise the GG to have you banned from reentering Canada.

	24-07-2005 07:32									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: If Canadians turn off this americanised sport I doubt Canadians would leave if fighting was eliminated from the game. They may grumble, but they'd watch just the same.

I suspect that people in Boston, Detroit, New York, Philly, and maybe a few more places agree with the Canadian view.

Screw you and the sissifying horse you are trying to ride on our ice!

	24-07-2005 07:33									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I don't see many Canadians leaving the sport because they've banned fighting. Maybe Don Cherry, but he's a wacko anyway.

Uhmm, because they haven't?

	24-07-2005 07:53									#51
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Uhmm, because they haven't?

In the hypothetical, dearie.

	24-07-2005 07:54									#52
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100-nil!

	24-07-2005 07:56									#53
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quote: That's it! I am calling Grapes right now! I'm going to have him advise the GG to have you banned from reentering Canada.

Ah, don't worry. If things work out you won't have to deal with me for much longer.

	24-07-2005 07:58									#54
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You don't seem to realise the gravity of your predicament, Ben.

You have just called Bobby Orr an American.

I'd be surprised if you survive getting nearer than 100 miles to a Canadian hockey arena.

	24-07-2005 08:00									#55
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Well, the sorry thing is that you were the first to notice.

	24-07-2005 08:02									#56
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What do you expect when the thread is currently infested by a bunch of Americans and Asher?

	24-07-2005 08:04									#57
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Uh, cogent discussion on the return of hockey?

I should have said Modano, but I had a hard time remembering a prominent American born hockey player, so I suppose there is hope for me yet.

	24-07-2005 08:07									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Uh, cogent discussion on the return of hockey? I should have said Modano, but I had a hard time remembering a prominent American born hockey player, so I suppose there is hope for me yet.

Then you should have brought your cogents.

	24-07-2005 08:59									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I should have said Modano, but I had a hard time remembering a prominent American born hockey player, so I suppose there is hope for me yet.

Jeremy Roenick? Keith Tkachuk? Chris Chelios? Tony Amonte? Brian Leetch?

I know hockey hasn't been around for a while, but Ben, you are giving your fellow transplants a bad name .

	24-07-2005 09:04									#60
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I used to have Modano and Leech on my fantasy teams, so that's a shameful omission.