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http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hockeyfighting1.html
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To Protect and Serve
Is vigilante justice necessary in hockey?
by Michael Morrison

We've all heard the stereotypes commonly associated with hockey: "barbaric", "boxing on ice", "long on blood, short on teeth." And of course there's the always-popular saying, "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out."

Are these slights legitimate? Well, maybe. But the fact is, unlike newspaper betting lines, NCAA office pools, and professional wrestling, fighting in hockey is not for entertainment purposes only. Many casual fans and anti-fighting activists don't understand that there is a method to the madness.

Why Drop the Gloves?
For the most part, fighters are in the league to "protect the skill players" — pugilists serve to keep the peace. For the league to thrive, smaller but talented stars like Anaheim's Paul Kariya and the Florida Panthers' Pavel Bure must be allowed the freedom to skate, pass, and shoot without the fear of being blindsided or slashed by a 6'4", 220 pound defenseman. With an "enforcer" keeping watch, players tend to think twice before taking liberties with these stars.

Kariya missed most of the 1997-98 season after suffering a concussion, thanks to a vicious cross-check to the face following a goal. Teammate and fellow star Teemu Selanne also missed time that season due to injury, and the team missed the playoffs.

To prevent this from happening again, Anaheim bulked up by signing long-time and well-respected fighter Stu Grimson, a.k.a "The Grim Reaper." In 1998-99, Selanne and Kariya ranked No. 2 and 3 in the scoring race, Grimson was in the top 25 in penalty minutes, and their team finished above .500 and earned a playoff berth.

Selanne recently told The Hockey News, "Just having him in the lineup, the other team knows they can't do any dirty things. Opponents can play hard, they can play tough, but they have to play clean."

In a perfect world, referees would catch all the cheap shots and flagrant fouls, and vigilante justice wouldn't be necessary. The stark reality is that they can't possibly catch everything. Even if they did, it might not completely put a halt to foul play.

Right or wrong, most coaches would risk having one of their less-talented players take a penalty and a game misconduct to take a run at the other team's star, if it meant knocking the star from the game.

A Brief History of Hockey Fighting
Fighting on the whole, however, has been in decline since its peak in the mid-eighties, when games averaged over one fight per game. Currently, just over .61 fights occur per game, the lowest total since the 1976-77 season.

In the 1950s and '60s fighting was actually pretty rare, but seemed to be more brutal than today, complete with stick-swinging and bench-clearing. It was also a time when stars did their own fighting without the luxury of calling on protection.

In the late 1960s expansion added six additional teams to the NHL. This lowered the level of talent across the board, and allowed for players with toughness and just a touch of skill to enter the league. In the 1970s, Boston's "Big Bad Bruins" and the "Broad Street Bullies" of Philadelphia won four championships between them, largely because of their ability to outmuscle their opponents.

In 1977, the "Third Man In" rule was enacted to do away with the bench-clearing brawl. The rule gave an automatic ejection to the first player to join a fight already in progress.

In the 1980s the Gretzky Era hit its stride, and so did fisticuffs. We all know "The Great One" was immensely talented, but at 6'0" and 185 pounds, was also an easy target for bigger, stronger players. His gaudy numbers with Edmonton in the 1980s would have been unlikely if not for the protection of less-heralded tough guys like Dave Semenko and Marty McSorley.

Today, fighting has diminished partly because of the newly implemented instigator rule, which awards an additional two-minute penalty to any player who starts a fight. Two in one game is grounds for ejection. Players are less likely to drop the gloves if it will cause their team to play shorthanded, especially in the all-important playoffs.

Some believe the allowance of fighting in the NHL is strictly financial, and that if fighting were abolished, fans would find the sport less interesting, and ratings would decrease. Well, they're right.

Not because fans necessarily love to watch fighting, but because without it, more stars like Kariya, Selanne and Peter Forsberg would be on the sidelines and scoring would fall to soccer-like levels. And that really would be less interesting.

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No fighting means more injuries. It's that simple. Hockey is a really ****ing dangerous game when people play like *******s, and refs will not see most of what a dirty player does.

They need the fear of God pounded into them.

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Screaming and flexing doesn't make you crazy tough.

It makes you fake tough.



And that's when Ray Lewis breaks you in two... literally .

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In a perfect world, referees would catch all the cheap shots and flagrant fouls, and vigilante justice wouldn't be necessary. The stark reality is that they can't possibly catch everything. Even if they did, it might not completely put a halt to foul play.




That's why the league office has to step in with swift justice. Just because the front office is a bunch of pansies doesn't mean you have to turn a game into a boxing match every other game or so.

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If you don't like it, don't watch it.

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Plus, he's a Devils fan...

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If you don't like it, don't watch it.


You can say that for a whole bunch of things. If you don't like the trap, then don't watch hockey .

If you are saying if you don't like the fights, don't watch the fights, well I don't.

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Americans playing hockey and thinking they know how it's played.

Booo!! Americans go home!! BOO!!

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Canadians thinking they know anything

Booo!! Canadians go away!! BOO!!

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All this from a man with a ****ing Harry Potter avatar.



You have no taste.

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Bet you can't even identify the man in my avatar...

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You can say that for a whole bunch of things. If you don't like the trap, then don't watch hockey .

If you are saying if you don't like the fights, don't watch the fights, well I don't.


Of course you are correct that my response was facile.

What remains though is that we, the big we being the majority of fans, favour a more physical game than can be found elsewhere.

If it is more physical there will be greater opportunity for tempers to flare, dirty play to be practiced, etc. It is not practical to leave all of the governing of the game to the league office. Too much can happen in any given 60 minutes.

That is where the enforcers come in, and fighting is their method of enforcement. They are part of the game and while they should not be left to run rampant (instigator penalty) they have an essential place in North American hockey.

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Says the Canadian .

Your lot are responsible for Bryan Adams and you talk of someone else having no taste?

Don't worry, I do pity you for your dislike of Harry Potter just because it's the 'cool' thing to do.

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How so? A large number of my friends read it. If anything, the peer pressure flows the other way...

C'mon. Who's the man in my avatar?

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Looks like Ken Dryden.

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And you'd have a point...if I liked Bryan Adams.

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Does that mean we have to take Imran seriously on hockey now?

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You're a Canadian, you're all the same person.

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Not really. It was a really easy question. I'll come up with some better ones later...

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Does that mean we have to take Imran seriously on hockey now?


Yes .

Sorry, but the quiz has spoken. He should have chosen someone harder to prevent such a horror .

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You're a Canadian, you're all the same person.


No, there are Terrence and Philip models.

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No, there are Terrence and Philip models.


Ah right... we identify you by the letter on your shirt!

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Does that mean we have to take Imran seriously on hockey now?


Nah, he said it "looks" like Ken Dryden. That's a lawyer's response. A hockey fan would say it's Ken Dryden.

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Any American who claims to like hockey is obviously a simpleton anyway and not worth taking seriously. Kind of like Canadians.

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... says the William Shatner fan.

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Shatner has an appropriate disdain for his home country that I appreciate.

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Shatner didn't even bother to go back to McGill when they renamed their University Centre after him...

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He's been home, Drake. btw, when were you last in the US?

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January. A whole 6 months ago!

 
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