26-07-2005 11:05									#61
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panties

	26-07-2005 11:16									#62
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yeah to panties,in a wad might mean a lot different story

	26-07-2005 12:10									#63
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When on a budget, cooking dinner. It's amazing how nice a meal you can cook for very little. If you are cooking challenged, learn to sautee onions, mushrooms, and garlic with a steak or chicken. Add in some fresh corn on the cob and peas (with butter, of course), for example, and you have a complete meal. A little wine, some candles, and you have a very romantic dinner. Ask her to bring the movie (and the wine or drinks, that way you know she likes it ). Snuggling on the couch, watching a movie she likes, while the two of you finish off the wine she brought.

	26-07-2005 12:27									#64
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And if you do it often enough and successfully enough, look to the left and you can see the ultimate result.

	26-07-2005 13:23									#65
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And I thought that was a terrible accident

	26-07-2005 17:34									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Just save yourself a lot of grief: pay for everything, all the time, and convince her that you're happy to do it. That's right: lie. Always. From the onset to the first kiss to the first ****, to the "do i look fat in this dress".

The logical extension of this policy is right up to the "I do" vows.


Not for me mind you...

	26-07-2005 22:49									#67
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc When on a budget, cooking dinner. It's amazing how nice a meal you can cook for very little. If you are cooking challenged, learn to sautee onions, mushrooms, and garlic with a steak or chicken. Add in some fresh corn on the cob and peas (with butter, of course), for example, and you have a complete meal. A little wine, some candles, and you have a very romantic dinner. Ask her to bring the movie (and the wine or drinks, that way you know she likes it ). Snuggling on the couch, watching a movie she likes, while the two of you finish off the wine she brought.

That is a great date idea but i doubt it will fly over all the time. Sometimes the Girl or guy want to go out on the town and mingle with society. I figure that each party can afford to go out then they should pay for as needed. i.e. Guy is short of money but wants to enjoy night out with gf i dont see it as a problem if said guys expalins to gf hey I am a little short of cash can you handle the bulk of expense tonight and I will catch you next time. I dont reccomend this on the first or second date but future dates should not pose a problem.

	26-07-2005 22:54									#68
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quote: Sometimes the Girl or guy want to go out on the town and mingle with society. I figure that each party can afford to go out then they should pay for as needed. i.e. Guy is short of money but wants to enjoy night out with gf i dont see it as a problem if said guys expalins to gf hey I am a little short of cash can you handle the bulk of expense tonight and I will catch you next time. I dont reccomend this on the first or second date but future dates should not pose a problem.

Yeah, first dates are a little bit different. Otherwise, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And sometimes the guy wants to go out too.

	26-07-2005 23:03									#69
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Banana

I usually pay for everything, but i got nothing against letting her pay if im short on cash that perticular day. More romantic for the guy to pay everything, i'm gentlemanly that way, but honeslty i think its just a matter of whats most convienient if that doesnt work.

	26-07-2005 23:17									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yes. Boris is a bottom, so...

Wrong, and as if you'd know or ever get the chance to know.

	27-07-2005 00:00									#71
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It's amusing to watch straight people quibbling over gender roles and gender expectations when concerning dating and relationships.


So glad I don't have to get my stomach in a knot worrying about such things.

	27-07-2005 01:03									#72
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Now who's the butt of the "in" gay humor?

	27-07-2005 01:05									#73
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Die.

	27-07-2005 03:30									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Die.

Now now...

	27-07-2005 03:50									#75
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I never suspect Kuci was gay ...

	27-07-2005 03:52									#76
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Hates puns = gay?

	27-07-2005 05:53									#77
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I assumed the 50/50 option also stood for the you pay/I pay, because that works as well.

But in an era of women's equality, men shouldn't be expected to pay for dates. You can't argue for equality and then want special treatment. That sort of 'chivalry' is either taking advantage or a way of viewing women as unequals (ie, she can't afford to pay for dinner cause she's in the kitchen and getting pregnant and barefoot and crap, so I gotta take care of her... meh).

	27-07-2005 18:24									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But in an era of women's equality, men shouldn't be expected to pay for dates. You can't argue for equality and then want special treatment. That sort of 'chivalry' is either taking advantage or a way of viewing women as unequals (ie, she can't afford to pay for dinner cause she's in the kitchen and getting pregnant and barefoot and crap, so I gotta take care of her... meh).

That's a niave position. Equality exists in the workplace. In the bedroom women have us by the balls. Hence a little sweetening of the offer in the form of dinner payola ultimately is required to grease the wheels or other body parts.

Life's a series of negotiations.

	27-07-2005 18:35									#79
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This thread is just oh so romantic! :fluttering eyelids:

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Imo, the guy should expect to pay, but be gracious if the woman asks to cover. Whining about it beforehand shows a lack of manners, negotiating it beforehand shows a lack of class.

Imo.

	27-07-2005 18:58									#81
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Of course one shouldn't openly negotiate it. Thats the game. To do otherwise is crass and gauche. But ultimately it is a negotiation just like everything in life. The key is to know your power(strengths and weaknesses) in the specific negotiation the needs/wants of the other party applying your influence appropriately, ultimately understanding the ramifications of using it.

The best negotiations are when it becomes win win.

	27-07-2005 19:11									#82
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Imo, the guy should expect to pay, but be gracious if the woman asks to cover. Whining about it beforehand shows a lack of manners, negotiating it beforehand shows a lack of class. Imo.

Pretty much spot on. If your on a date you better have enough money to cover it so you avoid that akward moment when she pays because you don't have the cash to do so. My girlfriend will always tell me when she wants to cover it and I always say ok. Sometimes it's at small places and sometimes it's at more expensive places. I hesitate at the more expensive places because she does have two kids and I hate for her to pay but she is an adult and knows how much she can spend. She even bought us concert tickets a few months ago.

One thing is when I drive her car I use it as an opportunity to fill her tank up. She gets upset for a little bit but knows I'm just trying to help out a bit here and there.

	27-07-2005 19:32									#83
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That bit of advice is really for the first initial dates, at the beginning of the relationship. As a couple grows together, this subject (should) become less worrisome:

"Let's go out for pizza!"
"Babe, I've got $5 in my pockets until Friday. If you feel like paying, I'll be glad to go."
"OK."

Then, when one gets married, the question becomes moot as the funds come out of your family's assets... not hers, not his, but theirs.

	27-07-2005 19:35									#84
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Then, when one gets married, the question becomes moot as the funds come out of your family's assets... not hers, not his, but theirs.

Agreed. But before kids when we were DINKS the more truthful answer was the funds were not his, but moreover were hers.

Ratio of spending in our house was approximately 75% for the Queen's things vs. 25% for the Kings things.

Now ratio is more like 75% Princesses, 15% queen, 10% king.

Heck doesn't bother me a bit, I'm low maintenance.

(Plus I just got me a new pool table which squares up things quite a bit over the years. )

	27-07-2005 20:24									#85
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Real men do not have dates, they pillage and ravish.

	27-07-2005 23:18									#86
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With my last GF I paid for everything on dates. I think she dated me longer then she would have simply because she liked getting free stuff. In the future, I'd want to insist on a 50/50 split. It's not like the old days where women were expected not to work(thus justifying the men paying), and if she really likes you the money shouldn't be an issue.

	27-07-2005 23:20									#87
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Money is always an issue, even if she loves you and is willing to bear your kids.

	27-07-2005 23:38									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Real men do not have dates, they pillage and ravish.

HOUA!

	28-07-2005 02:11									#89
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oh, I forgot to ask.

What about these group date things the kids are so into now days. I'd imagine in that case everyone pays for their own.

And what's with these group dates? Has anyone ever been on one? What are they like?

	28-07-2005 02:28									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie the man ALWAYS pays one way or another

LOL