27-07-2005 21:14									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Why did you put "executioners" in quotation marks?

Because in my opinion, they are in actuality, murderers. But their ****ed up country legalizes their types of murders, so I'm forced with the false label, "executioners."

	27-07-2005 21:24									#62
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It's terrible. They should stick to executing straight teens. This way, they give the impression of being totally without regard for people's feelings and everything.

	27-07-2005 22:29									#63
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By the way, has anyone in the Bush administration expressed outrage of this human rights violation?

	27-07-2005 22:33									#64
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Not a word from them as of yet.

Of course, considering what our allies like SA, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. do to gays, I guess they're being consistent in pretending it doesn't happen. Though why they'd miss a chance to skewer Iran over something, I don't know...

	27-07-2005 22:33									#65
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun By the way, has anyone in the Bush administration expressed outrage of this human rights violation?

Has anybody in the Democratic Party leadership expressed their outrage yet

	27-07-2005 22:37									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Not a word from them as of yet. Of course, considering what our allies like SA, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. do to gays, I guess they're being consistent in pretending it doesn't happen. Though why they'd miss a chance to skewer Iran over something, I don't know...

sigh

	27-07-2005 22:38									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Has anybody in the Democratic Party leadership expressed their outrage yet

Jeopardy question for you, Ming. Which political leader in the United States is considered our elected represenative to the rest of the world?

Hint -- it's the reason why I mentioned the Bush administration.

But yes -- it would be nice to see some Democrats have some spine, and publicly denounce what happened in Iran.

	27-07-2005 22:44									#68
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Jeopardy question for you, MrFun. Which political party in the United States is considered to support gay rights?

Hint -- it's the reason why I mentioned the Democrats...

Knowing that stances of both parties, I'm more surprised to not have heard a peep from the Democrats yet...

	27-07-2005 23:51									#69
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quote: was horrified by this article until i saw the comment under it great idea, lets invade and get hundreds of thousands of people, good idea genius!! this is my first visit at apolyton, and the first thread i read in OT, but if the people here are morons like you, im not staying for long at least be honest and say you want tons of muslims killed and that you dont give a damn about human rights, and specially not for gays

Nice you judge Apolyton after me, AHAHAHAHA, I'm like the least rational person on this board. I feel special I'm like a demented representative of this board hahahaha.....

Seriously though, I've been saying we should have invaded Iran a looooooooong time ago. Just adds to my list of things that they irk me about, mostly human rights stuff. How about lets see, the war on Terrorism not targetting the most Terrorist filled State......

What do you propose other then regime change, I don't think we can censure them calling them bad people and they'll stop torturing children... and other people for that matter...... I hate to sound like an ultra-conservative, but what do you think we should do give them a big hug?

	27-07-2005 23:56									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Jawz II i was horrified by this article until i saw the comment under it great idea, lets invade and get hundreds of thousands of people, good idea genius!! this is my first visit at apolyton, and the first thread i read in OT, but if the people here are morons like you, im not staying for long at least be honest and say you want tons of muslims killed and that you dont give a damn about human rights, and specially not for gays

first visit to apolyton? and you go immediately to the offtopic forum? The site IS about gaming, ya know. Or did you do a search on something like "invade Iran" and this came up?

	27-07-2005 23:59									#71
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Jeopardy question for you, Ming. Which political leader in the United States is considered our elected represenative to the rest of the world? Hint -- it's the reason why I mentioned the Bush administration. But yes -- it would be nice to see some Democrats have some spine, and publicly denounce what happened in Iran.

It doesn't get more spineless than denouncing one human rights injustice out of thousands, simply because news organizations have decided to publicize it. It also doesn't get more stupid than thinking Iran cares about the west or its politicians when they moan about them on television.

	27-07-2005 23:59									#72
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With things like this happening in Iran, it's hard to imagine that humans as a species are worth saving at all.

I look forward to the coming Rapture. As in, when the whole world is annihialated because of the idiocy of these primates.

Yep, I mean it. Gays will be purged too.

As will Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Conservatives, Liberals, Jocks, and Greeks.

	28-07-2005 00:33									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf It doesn't get more spineless than denouncing one human rights injustice out of thousands, simply because news organizations have decided to publicize it.

Wow -- you have brought forth the shocking revelation that news media has selective bias! That does not mean that this outrage was not worthy of being publicized -- we need to know these things so that others can decide what do about it.

	28-07-2005 00:35									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Jeopardy question for you, MrFun. Which political party in the United States is considered to support gay rights? Hint -- it's the reason why I mentioned the Democrats... Knowing that stances of both parties, I'm more surprised to not have heard a peep from the Democrats yet...

Both, Republicans and Democrats would be spineless in their silence.

	28-07-2005 00:41									#75
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Why criticise Iran over something so minor and irrelevant.

The entire football team of Uzbekistan get boiled alive for not winning the World Cup!

	28-07-2005 00:51									#76
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark first visit to apolyton? and you go immediately to the offtopic forum? The site IS about gaming, ya know. Or did you do a search on something like "invade Iran" and this came up?

if you were an EVC d/l, what's the first thread you would visit?

	28-07-2005 02:15									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Has anybody in the Democratic Party leadership expressed their outrage yet

have you taken care of the obvious DL in this thread yet .

It's sad when a DL and the poster who created it argue with each other.

	28-07-2005 07:02									#78
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Man, these threads degenerate so fast.

For the "invasion:war" crowd: Never was going to happen, EVER. But it always amazes me people can keep such obviously fallacious and insane dreams alive.

With Half a Million men the US couldn;t keep South Vietnam pacified. Lets get real here folks.

As for "international condemnation": not really going to happen.

1. Two people dead is hardly of much note. With the number of attrocities that happen in the world daily, this sadly is small fry stuff.

2. In too much of the world Iran's actions are probably approved off.

	28-07-2005 07:29									#79
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GePap, I'm sure some of the international human rights organizations will make some form of appeal for action.

	28-07-2005 09:44									#80
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How old were these teens?

	28-07-2005 10:38									#81
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While GePap is obviously completely right, what really disturbs me is this vibe I get from him that he's actually happy about the situation.

	28-07-2005 15:33									#82
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You could still turn Bushehr into one big chunk of glass. Israel?

	28-07-2005 15:50									#83
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither How old were these teens?

Uhm, somewhere between 13 and 19?

Carolus

	28-07-2005 16:44									#84
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Millwall anren't cancelling their match because of this, its because millwallfans are idiots anren't can't distinguish between the football team of a shia nation and the actions of UK sunni extremists

	28-07-2005 19:21									#85
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Ganji Is Not Alone

Shirin Ebadi


Akbar Ganji's perilous condition is just one distressing example of the dire state of Iran's political and ideological prisoners recently highlighted in the media. Defending Ganji and publicizing his protests is the responsibility of every human rights activist and thse who care to raise the dignity of human life in Iran.

As Akbar Ganji's lawyer and someone who, because of my work on this imprisoned journalist's behalf, has been subject to myriad accusations and threats, I would like to address all human rights activists with a cautionary note. Let us not forget all other political and ideological prisoners who aren't as well-known as Mr. Ganji. Those who have been forgotten in various prisons including Evin, Rejaee Shahr and other near and far flung provincial prisons and are doing hard time. Prisons filled with such human strife and suffering have hardly been reported in Tehran Judiciary's recent report.

In some of these prisons, political inmates endure the torture of solitary confinement while in other facilities they actually request such confinement to escape their murderous and criminally hardened cellmates. There are many detainees who have suffered long term mistreatment and are denied access to a lawyer and for whom only hunger strikes offer a slight chance of garnering a minimum of their human rights.

The harshness of treatment they receive too bears no proportion to their political or ideological acts. Recall Mojtaba Saminejad whose only crime was to publish a personal weblog with very limited readership. He was regarded as a hardened outlaw and his hands and feet shamelessly shackled when taken to and from courtrooms.

We must work together for the freedom of all political and ideological prisoners. To ensure that their human rights receive a minimum level of protection, it is essential that we do not allow them to fade away from memory, a fate that a majority of them have already suffered.

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Shirin Ebadi is an attorney, human rights activist and winner of the 2003 Nobel Peace Prize for championing human rights, especially the rights of women and children. She was the first female judge in Iran. She is an outspoken reformer and a regular contributor to Rooz.

	29-07-2005 00:06									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Not a word from them as of yet. Of course, considering what our allies like SA, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. do to gays,

saw this tidbit on the BBC:

"Homosexuality is illegal in almost all Muslim countries, and punishable by death in many of them.

But gay and human rights groups say Iran's record is particularly shocking, having executed possibly thousands of gay men since the Islamic revolution"

	29-07-2005 00:43									#87
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I actually think this is one of the most pointless threads I've seen on Poly for a long time.

	29-07-2005 00:50									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Az While GePap is obviously completely right, what really disturbs me is this vibe I get from him that he's actually happy about the situation.

No kidding.

	29-07-2005 00:51									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue I actually think this is one of the most pointless threads I've seen on Poly for a long time.

Because it's about Muslims doing something you approve of, so you can't use it as a reason to keep them out of your country?

	29-07-2005 00:52									#90
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Well I'm sure I've seen MrFun and his ilk complaining about Western involvement in the Middle East recently...