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Asheville, NC
May 1999
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Activists: Iran targets more gays
Ben Townley, Gay.com U.K.
Wednesday, July 27, 2005 / 04:04 PM
SUMMARY: According to human rights activists, Iranian police officials are searching for three boys connected with the "crimes" of two teens who were hanged last week.
The Iranian government may be hunting more gay teens after publicly executing two boys for having sex with each other last week.
According to human rights activists, police officials are searching for three boys connected with the "crimes" of Mahmoud Asgari, 16, and Ayaz Marhoni, 18, who were hanged last week.
An international protest is being urged in response to the hangings, which were conducted in accordance with the ultra-conservative Islamic Sharia law.
Activists across the globe are calling for more action to be taken against the Iranian government.
The boys being hunted are believed to have been named by the hanged boys under torture, the U.K. group Outrage! claims. They have since disappeared.
It is thought that Asgari and Marhoni were subjected to more than 200 lashings during their 14 months in prison and forced to confess to crimes they may not have committed.
They were also accused of raping a 13-year-old boy, although the majority of press reports have dismissed this charge as an attempt to avoid any censure from international governments or human rights bodies.
"This is just the latest barbarity by the Islamo-fascists in Iran," Outrage! spokesman Peter Tatchell said Wednesday. "The entire country is a gigantic prison, with Islamic rule sustained by detention without trial, torture and state-sanctioned murder."
A London protest has been organized next month outside the Iranian embassy.
After the hangings last week, U.K. activists criticized the government for attempting to forge closer links with Iran, while in other European countries gay groups called for an update to asylum legislation regarding lesbian and gay people fleeing conservative regimes.
In the United States, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was urged to publicly denounce the killings. |
Least we have names and ages now.
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No, it's the Ayatollah Kohmeini's fault. IIRC he began to advocate for a larger role of Islam in Iran's political scene even before the Shah took power, that why he was expelled from Iran. Had the Shah not taken over it is more than likely that he would have eventually opposed whatever government held power in Iran anyway, since most of the likely prospects in the 1950s were rather secular. The party in power prior to the Shah's coup was secular and somewhat left leaning. Eventually he would have found fault with it. However, as documents made public from the archives of the KGB have shown the Soviet Union was sending aid to the communist party in Iran and a communist coup was being planned prior to the Shah's coup. I'm certain that Kohmeini would have fought against a communist government in Iran. Whether he wouild have won is another manner. It's quite likely that he would not have escaped with his life, but someone would have taken his place.
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That's the point. WE made him win. The situation was ripe for an Islamic revolt, whereas without the support of such a dictator it wouldn't have been. |
I don't think you understood what I said. In 1953 the Soviet Union was ready to help the Tudah party seize control of Iran. KGB documents confirm this. Had the Shah not seized control of Iran, the communists would have, or at least would have tried. Whether or not Moddadegh's government could have resisted isn't certain. Remember that Soviet divisions were very close by, while US forces were still tied down in Korea.
If the communists had seized Iran they most certainly would have come after Kohmeini. If he had escaped he might have formed a resistance movement and may have eventually prevailed. If he prevailed there is no guarentee that he would have been greatful to the US. Look how greatful Osama Bin Laden is to us for having helped him oust the Soviets from Afghanistan. Evidently he felt that we owed him support for his bid to rule Afghanistan. Also consider how geatful Kohmeini was for the US having encouraged the Shah to leave. The Shah could have stayed, and with US support would have beaten back the rebels, but the US made it clear that it would no longer support his regime. It can be said that the US was the deciding factor in the Iranian revolution.
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:37
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If the communists had seized Iran they most certainly would have come after Kohmeini. If he had escaped he might have formed a resistance movement and may have eventually prevailed. If he prevailed there is no guarentee that he would have been greatful to the US. |
I really like the unwritten axiom that the US would help anyone bar Adolf Hitler, as long as he's against the USSR.  
Gepap:
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I would slap you if I could for that insinuation. |
a) off-topic piece of friendly advice - never post this sort of crap. It just sounds stupid - and you don't really have to look around as to the reasons why.
b) I am not insinuating anything. I am saying it clearly: you give out this vibe that you're actually quite pleased about this situation. It's opposite to what you've written, quote: originally posted by Gepap
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, but this is the vibe you're transmitting, this caricature of the anti-american poster, almost up to the level of being this sort of equivalent of the Bio-mechanical Sean Hannity comic book. I am sorry, Your posts aren't silly, or stupid, and are very well-thought out, and I like many of them. I really can't explain this, but it seems that I am not the only one getting this vibe. There are no idiots here - in all seriousness, this is a very intelligent discussion board. I don't think it's me assigning any stereotype of posting style. As I've said, I really can't explain this.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:37
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Originally posted by Az
I would slap you if I could for that insinuation.[/q]
a) off-topic piece of friendly advice - never post this sort of crap. It just sounds stupid - and you don't really have to look around as to the reasons why. |
I don't give a **** about your advice. I will state my feelings clearly, and if the children here are too pathetic to deal with it, their problem, not mine. My statemnets will not be ruled by "fear" of the idiots around (Drake being a wonderful example).
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b) I am not insinuating anything. I am saying it clearly: you give out this vibe that you're actually quite pleased about this situation. It's opposite to what you've written, quote: originally posted by Gepap
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, but this is the vibe you're transmitting, this caricature of the anti-american poster, almost up to the level of being this sort of equivalent of the Bio-mechanical Sean Hannity comic book. I am sorry, Your posts aren't silly, or stupid, and are very well-thought out, and I like many of them. I really can't explain this, but it seems that I am not the only one getting this vibe. There are no idiots here - in all seriousness, this is a very intelligent discussion board. I don't think it's me assigning any stereotype of posting style. As I've said, I really can't explain this. |
First, I don;t give a **** about "vibes" either. The idea that I would find the death of gays in any way ammusing is deeply insulting.
As for this "anti-American" bullshit, you know what, anyone who speaks of "anti-American" should be dragged into the street and shot for terminal stupidity, allowing us to cleanse the gene pool.
What I am sick of is the gross moral hypocracy and insanity running around, here in poly and around the world. I am sick of people talking out of their asses, without a clue about the real implications of their actions- I am sick of peop[le spouting "truths" that they have never themselves examined, to see if they actually know what the **** they are talking about.
People are free to disagree, but people who argue a case they themselves have never trully examined (their own) lower and cheapen everything, and these threads are full of crap like this. The utter insanity of anyone thinking that war (which would kill thousands) is somehow even a remotely sane action in response to such an event is either nuts, or needs to grow up and spam elsewhere.
And this happens endlessly here on Poly. People spout off their "thoughts" (if you can call the posts of certain people that) but it is painfully clear they have never even considered the basis for their statements.
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