29-07-2005 18:43									#31
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Thank you, reds4ever! I know I stood against some stiff competition.

	29-07-2005 18:47									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu I don't know. I'm pretty sure i read a post about it "not being the heat so much as the humidity" somewhere...

What's wrong with that?

	29-07-2005 18:55									#33
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever If God had'nt of made it so....?

Who created God?

	29-07-2005 18:57									#34
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Who created God?

God doesn't need a creator.

	29-07-2005 19:00									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue What's wrong with that?

Don't think about it. It'll come to you eventually.

	29-07-2005 19:04									#36
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Heat and humidity are separate things which can affect the real-feel of the air outside. You can withstand a dry 30c better than you can a humid 30c.

	29-07-2005 19:15									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Heat and humidity are separate things which can affect the real-feel of the air outside. You can withstand a dry 30c better than you can a humid 30c.

I think we may have another contender...

	29-07-2005 19:32									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid Yes

It's stuck

	29-07-2005 21:38									#39
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Well you guys aren't much help. The problem with the God created it theory is, as Park Avenue said, who created God? And if God was always here, why couldn't the universe be as well?

So I get the argument that the universe was always here. I just don't understand why. Wouldn't it be more logical that nothing exists? Other than we couldn't be having this discussion?

	29-07-2005 21:56									#40
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Cause and effect are internal to the universe. "Why" is a request for cause given an effect. In this context, it is not a valid question and does not have a valid answer.

Asking it is like asking "What is two divided by zero?" You are trying to apply an inappropriate metaphor and it does not fit. You can't divide by zero and the universe does not have a cause.

	29-07-2005 21:58									#41
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Ok, I get it. But why is it here?

	29-07-2005 22:00									#42
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Ok, I get it. But why is it here?

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	29-07-2005 22:11									#43
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No, no, no. That's just fancy talk for "you're not allowed to ask the question."

	29-07-2005 22:22									#44
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Well you guys aren't much help. The problem with the God created it theory is, as Park Avenue said, who created God? And if God was always here, why couldn't the universe be as well? So I get the argument that the universe was always here. I just don't understand why. Wouldn't it be more logical that nothing exists? Other than we couldn't be having this discussion?

Everything has a beginning. Nothing can just always be here. The universe began because it will one day end.

	29-07-2005 22:28									#45
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Two divided by zero is infinity; it's zero divided by zero that's undefined. IIRC.

	29-07-2005 22:36									#46
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh No, no, no. That's just fancy talk for "you're not allowed to ask the question."

Okay. What is the sound of one hand clapping in a forest when there are no hands around to clap?

	29-07-2005 22:37									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Everything has a beginning.

Why?

quote: Nothing can just always be here.

Then what was there before it?

quote: The universe began because it will one day end.

How do you know that?

	29-07-2005 22:39									#48
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by techumseh No, no, no. That's just fancy talk for "you're not allowed to ask the question." Okay. What is the sound of one hand clapping in a forest when there are no hands around to clap?

Why didn't you say so in the first place?

	29-07-2005 22:40									#49
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I think a more interesting discussion would be backward-causality that is evident in delayed-choice experiments.

	29-07-2005 22:52									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Two divided by zero is infinity; it's zero divided by zero that's undefined. IIRC.

Zero divided by zero is undefined in that it can be a lot of things depending on what limits you set.

For example sin(x)/x as x -> 0 is one, whereas 2sin(x)/x as x -> 0 is 2. etc...

	29-07-2005 22:54									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Two divided by zero is infinity; it's zero divided by zero that's undefined. IIRC.

No, it's also undefined. Anything divided by zero, divided by infinity, multiplied by infinity, or raised to the power of infinity is undefined.

lim 1/x as x approaches 0 from negative = -∞

lim 1/x as x approaches 0 from positive = ∞

since -∞ != ∞

ergo
lim 1/x as x approaches 0 is undefined

	29-07-2005 23:01									#52
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I get the mathematical stuff. But why is asking why the universe exists like asking what you get when you divide by zero? Explain that "cause and effect are internal to the universe bit"?

	29-07-2005 23:20									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious it will one day end.

No it won't, it does not have enough matter to stop the expansion. it will just run down more an more forever as it continues to expand at an ever accelerating rate.

	29-07-2005 23:25									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 As a matter of fact, they now believe our universe started from a Planck-sized nugget massing about 20 pounds.

I thought it was 20 grams?

* Odin looks for his copy of The Inflationary Universe...

	29-07-2005 23:27									#55
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quote: No, it's also undefined. Anything divided by zero, divided by infinity, multiplied by infinity, or raised to the power of infinity is undefined. lim 1/x as x approaches 0 from negative = -∞ lim 1/x as x approaches 0 from positive = ∞ since -∞ != ∞ ergo lim 1/x as x approaches 0 is undefined

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	30-07-2005 00:10									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Odin No it won't, it does not have enough matter to stop the expansion. it will just run down more an more forever as it continues to expand at an ever accelerating rate.

Wasn't aware that they had come to a conclusion about this yet.

Btw - how does the ID's talk their way out of this ? I mean, it must be pretty embarassing that their "intelligence" has made such an miscalculation.

	30-07-2005 11:01									#57
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Ok, I get it. But why is it here?

Asking why appears to be a question without an answer, or perhaps it is a meaningless sentence.

Why is the earth here? Why is the solar system here?Why are you here?

Not all possible, grammatically correct, constructs in English are meaningful.

	30-07-2005 11:29									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue I think a more interesting discussion would be backward-causality that is evident in delayed-choice experiments.

On a quantum scale time flows both ways.

	30-07-2005 11:30									#59
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Zkribbler's Short Thesis on the Reason for the Universe.

Asking "why" implies a "because" exists.

Keep in mind that, the universe is a closed system and will someday collapse in on itself (see Poul Anderson's Tau Zero), thus dooming all matter and energy to oblivion.

Because both matter and energy are foredoomed, they themselves cannot be raison d'etre of the universe.

What do they produce that will exist long after they are gone? Why metaphysical things of course. There can be no thoughts without brains; no souls without bodies.

Conclusion: The universe exists as an engine to create thoughts and/or souls.

Next question, please.

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	30-07-2005 11:46									#60
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Ok. Ok. I'm just going to ****ing admit that I don't know the damn answer to this ****ing question.



Does anyone have any LSD?