03-08-2005 01:49									#1
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"A passenger jet burst into flames after running off the runway at Toronto Airport, Canada. Details soon." - CNN front page

Just heard...

	03-08-2005 01:52									#2
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Hmmmmm... didn't you originally type Detroit?

	03-08-2005 01:54									#3
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I did, that's what the friend who told me said...I guess she got it mixed up? The current version is what it says on CNN.com

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quote: Passenger jet in flames at Toronto airport CTV.ca News Staff A passenger jet burst into flames after apparently skidding off the runway at Toronto's Pearson International Airport. Few details are known, and there is no word on whether there are any casualties. Police indicate the aircraft was an Air France jet that was trying to land when it ran into trouble. "An Air France plane landing on runway 2-4 left went off the end of the runway the area of Convert Drive and the 401 area in Mississauga," said Sgt. Glyn Griffiths. He couldn't say whether there were any injuries or if any passengers had been removed from the plane, but said there's been a full response by all emergency vehicles. An Air France ticket agent told Reuters that the burning plane is an A340 airbus that flew into Toronto from Paris. Live television pictures showed flames and smoke billowing from the aircraft in a tree-filled area near the airport. CTV Toronto's Jim Junkin reports that 200 people are thought to have been on board. Severe thunderstorms were hitting the area at the time of the accident. Witness Mark Yppelar told CTV Newsnet that he saw heavy lightning strikes in the area before he saw the aircraft on fire. The Greater Toronto Airport Authority is expected to hold a press conference at 5 p.m. ET. More later

	03-08-2005 01:57									#5
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Air Detroit huh?


As for your story.
Nice april fools joke, but its a bit lake for that.

	03-08-2005 02:03									#6
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The 401 is Canada's busiest highway...I think that's it that you can see in the corner of the video on CNN right now...

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Yea, you can see the plane from some of the traffic cameras on 401:

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Live pictures on BBC world now

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Doesn't look good

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It's an Air France Airbus 340 which was landing, after having flown from Paris to Toronto. In an emergency like this and based upon the TV broadcast, I'm afraid we can't expect any good news. There was an explosive fire with flames, due to the plane has lots of fuel, even if it has just landed.

	03-08-2005 02:11									#11
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Well, let's make it more clear: it's fried, SOL. Any survivors will be extremely lucky. Simply because a fire will be explosive and it spreads damn fast. Also it takes quite long to even try to evacuate.

It was BTW the first crash for the 340.

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It seems it will take a while before we get more details, because there has been only one meager police statement so far, but no airport authority press statement. So we have to wait for more.

Anyone interested in chatting and following up live as events fold, hook up on CivIRC for live IRC coverage.

	03-08-2005 02:15									#13
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How can a plane have lots of fuel after a flight from Paris to toronto ? I know that they aren't flying on fumes, but it isn't as bad as a crash just after start.

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It is as bad, even if you don't have your tanks full loaded with fuel. It's just that simple. The engines are hot and fuel is flammable. A very, very sensitive mixture which will burst into flames when they make contact. You don't need much to get the plane in flames. And it will anyway divert the plane and cause a fatal crash. Also one eye-witness suggests it lost 1/3 after which the rest burst into flames.

Based on what I've seen before (I've actually seen IRL one airplane crash) and know, I'm sorry to say, but there's just very, very, very little hope. Basically none.

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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell The 401 is Canada's busiest highway...I think that's it that you can see in the corner of the video on CNN right now...

It's North America's busiest highway, and it's right next to Pearson International.

Over 425,000 cars/day on average, many days over 500,000...surpasses Santa Monica freeway, etc. in volume.

It's rushhour right now.

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Well, the highway has nothing to do with the crash. Nada. It just distracts people now. Based on the pics and what has been said, it never touched the highway. So no, doesn't seem that there's any crashed cars, etc.

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It didn't get to the highway, but it's scarily close.



http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...lane050802.html

quote: Passenger jet on fire at Toronto airport Last Updated Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:21:43 EDT CBC News An Air France jet with as many as 200 people aboard has skidded off a runway while landing at Toronto's Pearson International Airport, bursting into flames and sending thick black smoke pouring into the air. There is no word on the condition of the passengers and crew members on board the A340, with the plane still burning an hour and a half after the 3:50 p.m. crash. The Air France jet burst into flames after skidding off a runway at Toronto's Pearson Airport Tuesday. The airplane was trying to land in bad weather when it skidded off the east-west runway just metres from one of Toronto's busiest roads, Highway 401. "There was quite a downpour. The visibility was really bad, with lots of lightning," said John Finlay, a CBC News journalist who was at the airport at the time of the accident. The jet ended up in the Etobicoke Creek ravine, a small valley at the far west end of the airport, the aircraft's fuselage tipped down and its tail in the air. "An Air France plane landing on Runway 24 Left went off the end of the runway in the area of Convair Drive and the 401 area in Mississauga," Peel police Sgt. Glyn Griffiths said at about 4:30 p.m. He said the number and extent of injuries was still unknown. * YOUR SPACE: Send us your eyewitness accounts and photos Rescue crews trying to extinguish the flames. The incident happened as most operations at the airport were grounded because of the severe thunderstorms that had been reported in the area. Rescue crews are on the scene. The Greater Toronto Airport Authority is holding a news conference at 6 p.m. to give details about the crash.

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Now it's getting wierd. It seems that there was actually survivors! Well, just eye-witnesses again, but it seems we might be lucky to get confirmed there are ones.

	03-08-2005 02:37									#20
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Many survivors confirmed. It happened during a landing so that doesn't sound too unreal.

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Interestingly, apparently, most people survive the crash in plane crashes, but then die from smoke inhalation (because while they survived, they are generally too injured to get out on their own). So, if they can get out quick without breathing the smoke, they'll make it.

According to my uncle, an airline steward, no plane has successfully survived a water landing. All that stuff about floatation seats and life vests are just to make you feel safer. Of course, there are the odd incidents, like when that plane slid off the runway into the Potomac.

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Thanks che, now I feel a lot safer

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara According to my uncle, an airline steward, no plane has successfully survived a water landing. All that stuff about floatation seats and life vests are just to make you feel safer. Of course, there are the odd incidents, like when that plane slid off the runway into the Potomac.

Wasn't there a sea landing off the coast of Madagascar afew years back where some people survived? I recall a tourist took some images and i think some passengers escaped.

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I didn't say he was right.

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Now there's a survivor Frenchie speaking on CBC. Seems like we can count the survivors in tens or hundreds. Apparently there was no warning by the crew and power went out just before the crash.

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but journalists ....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/ameri...rash/index.html

quote: "This plane came off the runway. It slid off the runway and into this gully," said Toronto radio reporter Leah Walker, who witnessed the crash. "It's come off with probably a great amount of force into trees and the creek." She said a fireball engulfed the plane. "There are hundreds of emergency vehicles here to do whatever is possible to be done at this point."

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Edit: Changed my mind on that one.

Here's hoping for the best for the people involved.

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The press conference is right now on-going. It's not bringing up anything new. Well, at least anything essential. They don't want to comment regarding casualties or survivors. Instead the retarded journalists only seem to be interested in looking for someone to blame, by questioning the airport security regarding the red alert status and if they were cautious enough. It's just soooo stupid. Like they would have had the time to think about all that yet. But it's thanks to the 24/7 news cycle, etc.

	03-08-2005 03:16									#29
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Rediciusly claims and stupid questions seems to be what qualifies a "good" journalist.

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I wouldn't at all be surprised to hear that there were hundreds of emergency vehicles on hand.

There are hundreds of passengers on the aircraft, so 100 ambulances, 40 fire trucks, 5 hazmat teams would be well within the realm of possibility.