14-09-2005 02:05									#61
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quote: Originally posted by skrobism Anyway. Golden Bear would like to join a team. Can we let him play? Babylon and The Desolators both welcome Golden Bear. I say let him join the team that he wants. *Skrobism walks off muttering, "Why would anybody want to join this bunch of bickering old maids?"

Yes and

	14-09-2005 02:08									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Krill quote: originally posted by Moonbars look at the member list for the LB forum - there are 2 people in it with 0 and 3 posts. One of them is either a Horde or AM account, the other is DR Emphasis mine. It sounds quite like Moonbars is saying that AM has access to the LB forum to me.

Yes - he is. As a lot of us also had access to the forum. If you read my post above, we were INVITED in, so he is not implying cheating. All he is saying ... oh forget it. I give up.

	14-09-2005 02:09									#63
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Meh, you were invited, that I am not disputing, but we as in Ormuzd and I, were not. So we could not have had legal access to the forum, is what I am saying.

	14-09-2005 02:21									#64
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(I am very confused...)

It's a good thing that everybody is friends here.

Here is a hypothetical question, which is probably no more OT than much of the debate...

IF Babylon, for example, or maybe BOH, were to get steamrolled and to disappear - what happens to their loyal followers? Do they get banned from the game because they might possibly still carry an in-game grudge? Or do they get to join other teams, if the teams will accept them?

... and don't read anything ulterior into this question. It is just a question about how things work from somebody who has not been through this before!!

Golden Bear

	14-09-2005 02:25									#65
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they can join other teams if there team gets steamrolled, though it is rare (or taboo?) that they join the team that killed them.

Though there is little reason for you to join AM unless you are in a European Timezone and can join in the chats.

	14-09-2005 02:56									#66
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I have not really considered AM after my dalliance with LB and subsequent acquaintance with Babylon.

I am already dazzled by the opportunities that have been offered.

At this point I am just trying to let the dust settle a little bit before moving forward.

If the game only moves forward as (6 teams*24 hours/team)* fudge factor for each turn I could possibly miss as little as 1 turn while waiting. Of course that fudge factor can be as little as 0.05 for turns done in an hour+ or as great as, err, 4 for unforseen circumstances.

Anyway, I feel that is best for everybody to be comfortable, particularly Lord N before I jump anywhere.

I definitely feel undeserving to be the center or cause of this much controversy. Although I am pleased to have created entertainment for the group!!

Golden Bear

P.S. Hmm. Europe. I work with a division in Europe and we are 8 hours earlier than them. We hold teleconferences at 8 a.m. Oregon time for 4 p.m. there. Since I do, ahem, take breaks from work to watch this forum, as I am right now, I could theoretically chat via email while people did the hard work there. 4 p.m. here would be midnight there, which would be about finishing time for most of you, I guess.

P.P.S. How do discussions about things take place for this game? Do people use some kind of messaging, or emails or what?

P.P.S. Where can I go to post another 325 messages so that I can get my custom avatar? I'd like that!

	14-09-2005 03:01									#67
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Golden Bear,
Pick a team and join it. There will be complaints no matter what.

As for secret Babylonian plans that could be revealed by you going to Desolation Row, here they are.

Babylon seeks peace with all nations. Babylon wishes to wrest peace out of the hegemonic Anhk-Morpork.

Well that's pretty much it.

	14-09-2005 03:10									#68
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Well, that solved my secret Babylonian insight!!

What about the secret weapon and the stash of alien artifacts? OK to talk about them? Oh, and the Doomsday device, didn't Dr. Strangelove tell you to report that?

Golden Bear

	14-09-2005 03:10									#69
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dear dear dear.

I am not accusing anybody of cheating
I am not suggesting any cheating has taken place

Seriously, this is it now for me - I quit, goodbye.

	14-09-2005 03:33									#70
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Looks like there is an unfortunate opening at Desolation Row.

Come back Moonbars!

	14-09-2005 03:35									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Golden Bear Well, that solved my secret Babylonian insight!! What about the secret weapon and the stash of alien artifacts? OK to talk about them? Oh, and the Doomsday device, didn't Dr. Strangelove tell you to report that? Golden Bear

Golden Bear ... shhhhhhhh!!!! You promised not to tell.

Damn - now you have to become Babylonian so we can lock you away.

	14-09-2005 03:42									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars dear dear dear. I am not accusing anybody of cheating I am not suggesting any cheating has taken place Seriously, this is it now for me - I quit, goodbye.

I hope you only mean you are quitting this discussion (which I fully understand as I pretty much had it as well), and not the game Moonbars. Keep in mind that MOST of us understood what you were saying.

	14-09-2005 04:30									#73
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Goodbye

	14-09-2005 12:08									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars dear dear dear. I am not accusing anybody of cheating I am not suggesting any cheating has taken place Seriously, this is it now for me - I quit, goodbye.

Yes you were. You accused AM and BOH of running DL's in the names of those 2 low log ins with low post counts. What else are you saying?

If you quit, then I agree, good bye.

	14-09-2005 12:23									#75
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quote: Originally posted by skrobism Looks like there is an unfortunate opening at Desolation Row. Come back Moonbars!

Golden Bear, you could be the turn player in DR soon if you join them

	14-09-2005 16:18									#76
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quote: Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus Goodbye

This childishness is exactly why I've decided to leave.

	14-09-2005 16:21									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Rubychaser Yes you were. You accused AM and BOH of running DL's in the names of those 2 low log ins with low post counts. What else are you saying? If you quit, then I agree, good bye.

I did say that (not accuse, thanks). But that is not cheating. there are legitimate reasons for joining the LB fourm, which has NO LB related material in it, as that's all in 1889 and now LNs head.

The way some people have reacted suggests to me they are rather sensitive to claims of cheatinh. Guilty conscience perhaps.

There, I am accusing people of cheating now - are you boys happy now?

	14-09-2005 16:31									#78
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Happy, No I am not.

You are a flamer. That is a fact. You also clearly made accusations, then could not back them up.

You do not like the way some people react to your accusations, pot calling the kettle black stuff. Clearly to be expected from you Moonbars. You have twisted your own words and those of others, time and again.

So have you quit? You have yet to "Leave" the Desolation Row team. You still ranting here in the game threads, if you really have left, then again, goodbye. Keep the game for those that want to play.

	14-09-2005 16:46									#79
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I made no accusations. I commented on facts gleamed from the members list of the LB forum. I have no way to back-up accusations I never made.

	14-09-2005 16:54									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars I made no accusations. I commented on facts gleamed from the members list of the LB forum. I have no way to back-up accusations I never made.

what of this?

quote: Originally posted by Moonbars look at the member list for the LB forum - there are 2 people in it with 0 and 3 posts. One of them is either a Horde or AM account, the other is DR.

What facts make you link 2 people with 0 and 3 posts with either the Horde or AM?

	14-09-2005 16:59									#81
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Ruby, Moon has said he is quitting, so let him be. So what if he cannot answer your questions, let the man be about his business.

	14-09-2005 17:03									#82
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Pad, why is he allowed to make such accusations then quit? Is he another teenager like **** *******?

	14-09-2005 17:13									#83
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Ruby, I am not sure of his age, but am quite sure Moon is a good lad, and in the end means well.

As to his accusations, well my understanding is that several of the teams have people listed in the team lists that have never been given permission to enter the forums.

On looking over the lists, here we find Golden Bear a member of Babylon. That is good he landed somewhere. And is still a member of the Lost Boys...

	14-09-2005 17:24									#84
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Moonbars may mean well but he accused us of cheating, and then ran away. He presented no facts, just causing trouble.

	14-09-2005 17:36									#85
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Mate, chill on Moon please. He has openly stated that he has left the game. If he was still in the game then I too would like a full explanation of what he meant in his accusations / statements. Yet he is no longer a member so let it be, ok.

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Members of the Lost Boys, now could be a good time to clean house:

1. have the admins play a turn with you and change your team password

2. Have all non-members leave your civ group.

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	14-09-2005 18:09									#86
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Paddy.

	14-09-2005 18:46									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars This childishness is exactly why I've decided to leave.

You should stick around.

	14-09-2005 18:52									#88
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so, this raises another problem

Aqua is not able to play regularly the turns of DR and moonbars has quit. This means there is no active player of their team.

What are going to do? There are 3 choices IMO
- contact the lurkers and ask them if someone would play the turns
- find poly member
- ask the admins to retire their civ

The last one is something I don't wish to do but it is the only way to keep the game played. This third choice should be delayed as much as possible because it will be a tragical moment in the game.

	14-09-2005 19:35									#89
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Aqua is back on Thursday I understand.

	14-09-2005 19:50									#90
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quote: ask the admins to retire their civ

Oh ormuzd you treacherous Morporkian warmonger! Babylon has offered you peace too many times. Now when the fight gets to be too much, you turn your hegemonic eyes towards Desolation Row and call on your admins to fight the fight for you. I do not know of these "admins" that you speak of. I can only guess the meaning is lost in translation and you speak of your small gods. How much conceit do the hearts of Anhk-Morpork have that they tell the gods what to do? In Babylon we do not dare call upon the gods remove our enemies. Inanna guides us in love and war but we dare not tell her how to run the world.

Woe unto thee once mighty Ahnk-Morpork! Accept peace with the world, send us recompense for the cities and land that you pillaged, or meet your doom!