10-08-2005 08:12									#1
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On July 13, the San Francisco board of supervisors by a vote of 8-3 rejected Veterns, History Buffs, and ship lover to berth the USS Iowa in San Francisco as a museum.
Many of the No vote said, the home of peace is no place for the ship.

If I was still part of the Navy, I would cancel Fleet Week for the next 20 years.

	10-08-2005 08:19									#2
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What an idiotic reasoning. "Hey, let's ban navy ships and end all wars." "Yeah, I'm cool with that." "Me too."

	10-08-2005 08:36									#3
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I really wish that those ships would have one more life...but alas, their day has passed from this world.

	10-08-2005 08:40									#4
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO I really wish that those ships would have one more life...but alas, their day has passed from this world.

Why weren't they useful as arty platforms for shore bombardment? I'm surprised they are regarded as so useless as to be better mothballed than leaving one or two as token battleships in the fleet.

	10-08-2005 08:40									#5
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Was that the one that had the gun explode a couple of decades ago?? At first, the Navy tried to claim a gay sailor sabatoged the gun in order to commit suicide. Later, it apologized to the sailor's family.

	10-08-2005 08:52									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Why weren't they useful as arty platforms for shore bombardment? I'm surprised they are regarded as so useless as to be better mothballed than leaving one or two as token battleships in the fleet.

Cost.

Several thousand sailors to lob volkswagons a bit past the edge of the horizon or a couple of pilots to drop precision munitions within a 500 mile radius.

	10-08-2005 08:54									#7
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Sell it to Canada.

Let's see the Danes sail their fish boats to Hans Island now!

	10-08-2005 09:08									#8
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If the Canadians buy it, the ship will sink all by itself within 6 months.

	10-08-2005 09:18									#9
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At that same meeting the San Francisco Board of Suprivisors voted 10-1 on a resolution telling the state of California to allow cities to lower their voting ages to 16. All because of the hard work of NYRA-Berkeley.

	10-08-2005 09:20									#10
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The museum ships are mothballed.

The Wisconsin, which is berthedin Norfolk 200 yards from my apartment, is completely sealed. You can walk the weatherdecks only.

Still cool as hell.

The guns are not as effective because of their age. Sure, the 16" guns are cool but if we were to build a modern version it would shoot twice as far with 10% of the manning.

And the aircraft option was not really the death of them. Sure an aircraft is more effective, but it can't loiter for days at a time providing continuous bombardment with no risk to personel.

People are the most expensive thing in the DoD, and BBs use alot of them.

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	10-08-2005 09:26									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Winston If the Canadians buy it, the ship will sink all by itself within 6 months.

You must be worried. It is of the right vintage for the Canadian forces to be seriously interested.

	10-08-2005 09:31									#12
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quote: Was that the one that had the gun explode a couple of decades ago?? At first, the Navy tried to claim a gay sailor sabatoged the gun in order to commit suicide. Later, it apologized to the sailor's family.

Yup, Clayton Hartwig. I lost whatever respect I had for the Pentagon over that and Bush 1 showed his true colors. They interrogated another sailor for hours on end until he agreed to say that Hartwig made a pass at him which he rebuffed thus driving Hartwig to commit suicide by blowing up the #2 turret. Thats how Republicans support the troops - use them as scapegoats just like Abu Ghraib.

	10-08-2005 09:40									#15
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heh, glad to see that is getting some milage.

	10-08-2005 09:51									#16
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The Bay Area already has a historic warship, an aircraft carrier in Alameda. The organization that runs it is in bankruptcy due to low visitor numbers, in part because of the ship's hard to get to location.

If I were on the San Francisco city council, I'd support getting the ship, and converting it into housing. Actually, that might not be such a bad idea for that aircraft carrier in Alameda...

	10-08-2005 09:59									#17
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They need the Iowa to blow them seals away so people can use the walkways near the Wharf.

	10-08-2005 10:04									#18
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A couple of Newfies with clubs would be cheaper.

	10-08-2005 10:17									#19
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But not nearly as much fun

	10-08-2005 10:21									#20
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Isn't that the story? It's not as much fun, but it's cheaper.

	10-08-2005 10:45									#21
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP At that same meeting the San Francisco Board of Suprivisors voted 10-1 on a resolution telling the state of California to allow cities to lower their voting ages to 16. All because of the hard work of NYRA-Berkeley.

16 year olds voting That'll be the day this country really goes to %^@$

	10-08-2005 12:25									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Why weren't they useful as arty platforms for shore bombardment? I'm surprised they are regarded as so useless as to be better mothballed than leaving one or two as token battleships in the fleet.

shore bombardment with the big guns is useless. They have a limited range.

They were outfitted with cruise missiles (which they did use in the first gulf war).

But it's innefficient to use that as a cruise missile platform when it has a crew of over 2000 people compared to cruisers with a crew of less than 1000 people.

	10-08-2005 17:48									#23
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But it looks damn cool!

	10-08-2005 17:53									#24
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Couldn't they sail it up the Mississippi to Davenport?

	10-08-2005 20:11									#25
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Couldn't they sail it up the Mississippi to Davenport?

what the HELL is THAT Huck?

Side benefit would be major recapitalization of the locks, dredging etc. Full employment in the Missippi Valley for quite some time.

	10-08-2005 21:33									#26
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There was some talk a few years ago about redoing the super structure with aegis technology and removing the after turrent and installing a harrier hanger. Cost was the major drawback if I recall. Of course it would be nice to have a platform out there that could take a missle hit and keep on fighting...

	10-08-2005 22:12									#27
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we can pull it out of mothball if we need it.

	10-08-2005 22:39									#28
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hold on



wait



no



sorry


my give a **** is broken

	10-08-2005 23:22									#29
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This is a shame. I'd love nothing better than to climb all over this monster.

	10-08-2005 23:48									#30
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