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Odin is offline Odin
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Man can be defined as pretty successful because he can use technology.


Not if we blow ourselves up.

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That is generally something best avoided

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Not if we blow ourselves up.


Every species has the capacity to destroy itself.

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Every species has the capacity to destroy itself.

Not ants. Ants are superior creatures that will own us long after we have died out. Nobody can destroy ants!

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They understood that the Bible dealt in metaphor and poetics and myth, and wasn't the equivalent of a forensic accountant's investigation of a small business's receipts and billings.


quote:
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hell hath no fury...


Grumble.....Only my appreciation of humour prevents me defending my profession!

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You're a FORENSIC ACCOUNTANT???

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Re the Onion story:

"The next question was - what makes planets go around the sun? At the time of Kepler some people answered this problem by saying that there were angels behind them beating their wings and pushing the planets around an orbit. As you will see, the answer is not very far from the truth. The only difference is that the angels sit in a different direction and their wings push inward."
-Richard Feynman Character Of Physical Law, p. 8

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You're a FORENSIC ACCOUNTANT???


Yes!

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*runs and hides*

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The Onion weighs in:

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2

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Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory

In ten years, this article will not be funny at all

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*runs and hides*


I was thinking that molly bloom may have been having a dig at Dauphin at first

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Yes!


You poor thing. I guess its a lot like chartered accountancy, an incurable condition. Maybe you could look for a new job as a lion/ant trainer.

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quote: originally posted by the Onion
Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.


I thought it was called experimental theology

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The Onion weighs in:


I have seen a similar parody elsewhere

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If a group of concerned parents gets its way, high school physics students may soon be required to learn about alternative explanations of gravity. The parents say that a one-sided focus on Newton's so-called universal law of gravitation is unfair to students who don't believe in gravity. If they prevail, physics teachers may be forced to read a statement acknowledging that our understanding of gravity is just a theory.

Is Einstein's 'theory of relativism' next?

By Cole Walters, education correspondent

DOVER, PA—It is a staple of high-school physics classes: the story of Isaac Newton's encounter with a certain apple. As scientific wisdom would have it, Sir Isaac was sitting beneath a tree one afternoon when the offending apple dropped down upon his head, leading him to coin an explanation of one of the universe's greatest mysteries: why do things fall out of the sky?

Called the universal theory of gravity, Newton's so-called law is taught to physics students everyday. But a growing movement of parents wants to change that. They say that Isaac Newton's theory of acceleration and velocity is just that—a theory—and that forcing students to accept a Newtonian view of the natural world is unfair to those who don't believe in gravity.

An accelerating movement
This small Pennsylvania town south of Harrisburg is at the center of the movement to force high school physics teachers to introduce alternative explanations of the force of gravitation. But parents here reject the claim that they're trying to ban teachers from mentioning gravity, or the increasingly controversial Sir Isaac Newton. Rather, they say, their goal is to supplement the existing physics curriculum.

"It's just not fair to the young men and women who attend physics classes in Dover that they learn about one theory over and over," says curriculum improvement advocate Lorraine Dittie. "What we'd like to see is a more a balanced presentation."

Just a theory
If parents and advocates for change like Dittie get their way, physics teachers may be required to read a statement to their classes as early as next fall, acknowledging that Newton's explanation of gravity is a theory, not a law as it has often been described in the past. "If it's a law, that means that there are penalties for breaking it," explains Dittie. "Newton obviously came up with one theory of how gravity works, but there are others as well."

God's will
One such theory holds that Isaac Newton was chosen by God, who signaled his interest in the British physicist and mathematician by dropping an apple on his head. While students would still be exposed to Newton's ideas, they would largely bypass his influential work on physics, Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica, focusing instead upon his deeply-held religious beliefs and his later work in which he attempted to date the events depicted in the bible.

Physicists gravitate to secularism
But not everybody is happy about the new plan. Dover Senior High School physics teacher and golf coach Lou DeGregorio says that he's already got enough to teach, and that adding new explanations of gravity may force him to cut other subject areas from his curriculum, including force and equilibrium, static electricity or simple harmonic motion.

Mr. DeGregorio also questions why the parents have chosen to single out Newton's law of gravity for their efforts, noting that the 17th century mathematical formulation has largely been replaced by Albert Einstein's theory of relativity. "I don't want to say that these people are idiots but they obviously don't know a whole hell of a lot about physics."

Next up: the theory of relativism
For her part, Mrs. Dittie says that she's all too familiar with Einstein's theory—and that her curriculum improvement group is already contemplating launching a charge against the German physicist.

"At least he acknowledged that all he'd come up with was a theory," says Dittie. "But the last thing we need to expose our kids to is a theory of relativism. They're already being told that there's no right or wrong. If you want to learn about Einstein, fine. I just don't want my tax dollars going to pay for it."

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I was thinking that molly bloom may have been having a dig at Dauphin at first



No, a dig at the literalist fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible is much more likely.


I loathe the literalists who reduce a compilation of texts (internally contradictory and product of more than one author and revised and contradicting historical evidence and scientifically inaccurate...) dealing in metaphor and poetry and lyricism into Jehovah's 'Leaflet of Instructions' or a divine Napier's Logarithms, when they ain't.


Ignore history, ignore science, ignore literature- in fact, move to Ignoreland and live in the intellectual equivalent of the Atacama Desert.

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Is Einstein's 'theory of relativism' next?


It is called "The Bounce Of Knowledge".

You know, you invent something, gather some info or do anything else you think it will let you know the world around and inside you better, then come some people(be they Mongols or Morons) and ruin that all just so you have something to start from again.

Try it at home! It's fun!
Type a poem on your laptop (be it first in your life), then put the cursor at the end of it, put your finger on "backspace" key and hold while watching how letters disappear one by one.
Isn't that fun?!

Urban Ranger is offline Urban Ranger
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The funny thing is the theory is called "Relativity"

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Senate majority leader Frist has joined the moron brigade (yet again):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9008040/

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"I think today a pluralistic society should have access to a broad range of fact, of science, including faith," Frist said.

Frist, a doctor who graduated from Harvard Medical School, said exposing children to both evolution and intelligent design "doesn't force any particular theory on anyone. I think in a pluralistic society that is the fairest way to go about education and training people for the future."


Mind-boggling. A "broad range of fact?" What does that mean?

And it's astounding that he thinks a "fair" way to go about science education is to follow the whims of a "pluralistic society." Gee, I thought science classes were supposed to teach, you know, established science.

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Religion has no place in the science classroom.

"Intelligent" Design, Creationism, "Intelligent" Falling: they all belong in some other class such as 'theology'...or maybe 'pseudo-science'.

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Gee, I thought science classes were supposed to teach, you know, established science.



I'm wondering if he'd support the teaching of pre-mediaeval medicine and science at Harvard Medical School.


After all, it contains a broad range of facts, some more 'factual' than others.


And perhaps instead of weather forecasting or trying to track tornadoes with any kind of hi-tech measuring equipment, people could rely on the consultation of the livers of oxen, or the entrails of chickens.

It is after all a fact that people used them to divine future outcomes and the most propitious times for engaging in projects.


See what a trend Ron & Nancy started...

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"I think today a pluralistic society should have access to a broad range of fact, of science, including faith," Frist said.


I wonder if he's also keen on teaching the faith of Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism.

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Or Native American Animism.

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Nah. I'm pretty sure he's a big, fat hypocrite.

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Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory


Blatant rip off of Family Guy.

"Christians don't believe in gravity."

 
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