12-08-2005 05:57									#1
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Brian Kilmeade, a sports analyst on Fox News and one of the hosts on the morning show "Fox and Friends", has called for the NFL to cancel the Rolling Stones who are slated to open the season with a performance. Why? Because the Stones have a song out criticising the neo-cons and supposedly Bush. Kilmeade said the song was anti-American...

Is that fascistic? America is not a President or political party or faction within a political party. You are anti-American if you dont like a politician? Seems to me it is fascistic... and hypocritical... Plenty of people didn't like Clinton and I dont recall them being accused of anti-Americanism...

	12-08-2005 06:01									#2
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I wonder why people decide to take the opinions of sports talk analysts seriously.

Btw, you watch WAAAY too much Fox News .

	12-08-2005 06:09									#3
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I dont take the guy seriously, but many do and he was on O'Reilly's show which is political and reaches millions of people.

And yes, I do

But I see a trend among many Republicans to equate criticism of "dear leader" with being unpatriotic so its not just Kilmeade, he's merely part of the chorus.

	12-08-2005 06:12									#4
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quote: I dont take the guy seriously, but many do and he was on O'Reilly's show which is political and reaches millions of people.

How does this in any way serve to answer my query of "why people decide to take the opinions of sports tak analysts seriously"?

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No it's not fascist.. but it is stupid. This is what you call doing something that has the opposite effect.

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You'll have to ask those who take him seriously But he isn't a lone voice in the crowd, there is a definite drumbeat coming from Repubs equating opposition to them with anti-Americanism.

A couple nights ago O'Reilly said the following of Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq: some families believe she is guilty of borderline treason. Imagine how he'd react if a news analyst was citing un-named sources accusing him of borderline treason...

	12-08-2005 06:29									#7
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I thought fascism involved equating the leadership with the state/nation? Opposition to the leadership is opposition to the country...

	12-08-2005 06:37									#8
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quote: I wonder why people decide to take the opinions of sports talk analysts seriously.

HST

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker I thought fascism involved equating the leadership with the state/nation? Opposition to the leadership is opposition to the country...

In that case every President would be facist .

Even though you may dislike Bush supporters, they haven't proposed a totalitarian nationalist state (with an uber-emphasis on the state), so they don't end up being fascist.

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These folks just don't appreciate time honored American traditions. Most of the stuff being bantered around by the critics of this administration is nothing compared to what most Presidents of the first one hundred years had to put up with.

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Apart from the fascism question, what about the man's simple appalling lack of taste? I mean, honestly, he doesn't like The Rolling Stones? Philistine.

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The Stones aren't anti-American, they are non-American, jeez.

ACK!

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This makes me want to go out and buy some Stones Cd's and maybe catch them on tour.

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Kilmeade said the song was anti-American.

So, the Stones aren't American.

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker You'll have to ask those who take him seriously But he isn't a lone voice in the crowd, there is a definite drumbeat coming from Repubs equating opposition to them with anti-Americanism.

This has been going on since, well, for a very long time. They said this about people who criticized Reagan and Nixon.

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove These folks just don't appreciate time honored American traditions.

The GOP is anti-American!!!!

Why do Republicans hate America!?!

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Neocons are the biggest Anti-Americans out there. Everything they do actually ****s the country up each passing year. The Bush administration has racked such an insanely high debt, I still wonder if it is humanly possible for America to ever get out of the red.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara So, the Stones aren't American.

They are Englishmen, ole boy. Would you like some tea and crumpets while keith plays some wicked ole blues on his telecaster.

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quote: Originally posted by Riesstiu IV Neocons are the biggest Anti-Americans out there.

Well they sure seem to have a knack at turning people into Anti-Americans.

Instead of uniting people lets just divide them and turn the whole world into one big hatefest.

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quote: In that case every President would be facist . Even though you may dislike Bush supporters, they haven't proposed a totalitarian nationalist state (with an uber-emphasis on the state), so they don't end up being fascist.

Why would every President be fascistic? I haven't heard Bush accuse his critics of being anti-American for opposing his policies. I didn't say they were fascists, I said they were fascistic in how they equate themselves with the country, i.e., opposing them = opposing America.

quote: The Stones aren't anti-American, they are non-American, jeez.

You have to be American to be anti-American? I was anti-Soviet but not a Russian...

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quote: Neocons are the biggest Anti-Americans out there.

Oh brother.

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The 1st amendement only applies to republicans crticising "liberals"

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The GOP is anti-American!!!! Why do Republicans hate America!?!

It's the truth, actually.

America always wanted to portray itself as a bastion of democratic values, and being constructively critical of your government while loving your country is the essence of democracy.

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Y A couple nights ago O'Reilly said the following of Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq: some families believe she is guilty of borderline treason. Imagine how he'd react if a news analyst was citing un-named sources accusing him of borderline treason...

"I can assure you viewers that every treasonous act I've committed happend many miles from the border line! Most of them were in fact committed in Washington DC."

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quote: Originally posted by Max Webster This makes me want to go out and buy some Stones Cd's and maybe catch them on tour.

Why? They've sucked for about 20 years now. Buy a t shirt from moveon.org and save yourself a couple of hundred bucks and an evening.

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Great post Alva

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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Why? They've sucked for about 20 years now. Buy a t shirt from moveon.org and save yourself a couple of hundred bucks and an evening.

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So a fascist stated some truth ( ). What is your point? Everyone who goes to war is a fascist or everyone that uses truth is a fascist?

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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal So a fascist stated some truth ( ). What is your point? Everyone who goes to war is a fascist or everyone that uses truth is a fascist?

Nope, not everyone. Just Nazi's or Republicans