17-08-2005 19:03									#1
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I know that no matter what, it will make me unhappy.

Eili eili, shelo yigamer l'olam

Hachol v'hayam, rish-rush shel hamayim,

B'rak hashamayim, t'filat haadam.

Hachol v'hayam, rish-rush shel hamayim,

B'rak hashamayim, t'filat haadam.

	17-08-2005 19:04									#2
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I'm repeatedly hitting refresh on CNN and CBC to hear of any air crashes.

The BF's flying and with the 3 recent jetliner crashes I'm a bit nervous.

I've no idea what you're talking about, by the way.

	17-08-2005 19:05									#3
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probably some jewish thing...

I tried watching the news last night... thank god for Seinfeld reruns.

	17-08-2005 19:25									#4
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*sigh* I just heard a report how in one of the settlements, they blew the shofar to call everyone into a synagouge... the soldiers came and carried them out.

If Abbas dosen't stop all terrorist acts against Israel in one year, I think carpet bombing the west bank and the gaza strip into sand would be apropriate.

	17-08-2005 19:32									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen I know that no matter what, it will make me unhappy. Eili eili, shelo yigamer l'olam Hachol v'hayam, rish-rush shel hamayim, B'rak hashamayim, t'filat haadam. Hachol v'hayam, rish-rush shel hamayim, B'rak hashamayim, t'filat haadam.

My G-d, My G-d, I pray that these things never end...

The sand, and the sea, the rush of the waters....

The crash of the heavens, the prayer of man...

attributed to Hannah Senesh.


Ves "these are the time that try mens souls" Tom Paine.

	18-08-2005 00:00									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen If Abbas dosen't stop all terrorist acts against Israel in one year, I think carpet bombing the west bank and the gaza strip into sand would be apropriate.

You have an evil heart.

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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen *sigh* I just heard a report how in one of the settlements, they blew the shofar to call everyone into a synagouge... the soldiers came and carried them out.

I think you'll find the spelling is chauffeur

	18-08-2005 00:06									#8
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'what goes around comes around'.

'you reap what you sow'.

'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'.

'be kind to your neighbour'.

simple rules of life that when forgotten or ignored cause all the problems.

	18-08-2005 00:06									#9
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1000 are moving to Jerusalem.

For Jews to move to Jerusalem isnt so sad a fate, Ves.

	18-08-2005 00:07									#10
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor 'what goes around comes around'. 'you reap what you sow'. 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'. 'be kind to your neighbour'. simple rules of life that when forgotten or ignored cause all the problems.

I think ves is thinking of those in regard to the govt of Israels acts in removing the settlers.

	18-08-2005 00:18									#11
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark 1000 are moving to Jerusalem. For Jews to move to Jerusalem isnt so sad a fate, Ves.

Yeah, what part of Jerusalem? The stolen part of the West Bank or the Arab quarter? Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

	18-08-2005 00:40									#12
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Jesus H Christ, a Jew doesnt even have the right to live in Jerusalem?

	18-08-2005 00:51									#13
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Jesus H Christ, a Jew doesnt even have the right to live in Jerusalem?

you're right jewish hate is as bad as any other. From when i was in Israel it seemed a country full of wide open and stuningly beautiful land(in an arid way). So space should not be an issue for jewish people needing somewhere else to live. I think eveyone will just have to get creative and help them settle in non disputed territory.

And yes it will be hard for both sides to stomache what needs to be done to start to address many of the problems the Israelies have created for themselves(with our help of course ). Still i am confident they can do it and put the dark past behind them and live in peace with the arabs. hate needs to be beaten.

	18-08-2005 00:52									#14
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Thanks for the translation, LoTM

And your quote from Tom Paine is very apt.

	18-08-2005 00:58									#15
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quote: If Abbas doesn't stop all terrorist acts against Israel in one year, I think carpet bombing the west bank and the gaza strip into sand would be apropriate.

Damn right

	18-08-2005 01:01									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen *sigh* I just heard a report how in one of the settlements, they blew the shofar to call everyone into a synagouge... the soldiers came and carried them out. If Abbas dosen't stop all terrorist acts against Israel in one year, I think carpet bombing the west bank and the gaza strip into sand would be apropriate.

of course I dont agree with this, though i understand where it is coming from.

	18-08-2005 01:10									#17
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If Abbas doesn't stop, then there will be much bitterness among the Israelis over giving up land for a ephemeral peace.

I hope very much too, that the sacrifice made by the Jews will provoke the desired response from the Palestinians.

	18-08-2005 01:18									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi If Abbas doesn't stop, then there will be much bitterness among the Israelis over giving up land for a ephemeral peace. I hope very much too, that the sacrifice made by the Jews will provoke the desired response from the Palestinians.

short version

If Abbas takes the necessary steps(and the Pal polity supports him) , toward cooperation with Israel, and Hamas and IJ are disarmed, or terror is otherwise suppressed, then the next steps will be to negotiate a withdrawl from most of the West Bank about 8%, where most Israeli settlers live, will be annexed to Israel, but equivalent parts of pre-67 Israel will be transferred to the Pals as compensation. Some fairly complex solution will be instituted in Jerusalem, and palestinian refugees will recieve monetary compensation for giving up the right of return. There will be a secure transport route linking Gaza and the West Bank, and the security fence will probably be removed, at least in many places.

OTOH if terrorism continues, and Abbas is seen to be unserious, or ineffective in stopping it, Israel will likely withdraw from most the West Bank anyway. Unilaterally. However it will look very different from the above. Israel will probably withdraw TO the security fence, leaving over 15% of the West Bank in Israeli hands, which will be annexed. There will be no compensation in territory, no compensation to refugees, and no palestinian national rights in Jerusalem.

	18-08-2005 01:21									#19
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quote: From when i was in Israel it seemed a country full of wide open and stuningly beautiful land(in an arid way).

ROTF

"you're beautiful.... on the inside"


J/k, I love the desert.

	18-08-2005 01:58									#20
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quote: Israel will probably withdraw TO the security fence, leaving over 15% of the West Bank in Israeli hands, which will be annexed.

My understanding is that only about 7% of the West Bank would be cut off by the current route of the security fence.

	18-08-2005 02:02									#21
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It's not finished yet.

	18-08-2005 02:46									#22
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Best thing to happen for World peace this year!

Kick those parasites out!

	18-08-2005 02:56									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Az quote: From when i was in Israel it seemed a country full of wide open and stuningly beautiful land(in an arid way). ROTF "you're beautiful.... on the inside" J/k, I love the desert.

And they also posses some of the best irrigation know-how on the planet. And i love the desert too, its such a spiritual place to hang out - and there was a whole bunch of it on the bus journey down from Tel Eviv to Elat in the south If it was good enough for moses.....

	18-08-2005 02:58									#24
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quote: If it was good enough for moses.....

You want all 40 years of it??

	18-08-2005 03:03									#25
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mhvahla al el moisim.
devitious mo lihmeleh avalissah
halavahim sahal al halavih

	18-08-2005 03:04									#26
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why was tolkien better

	18-08-2005 03:10									#27
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The disengagement is probably one of the best world news of this year. If it wasn't for all those plane crashes and terror attacks elsewhere, this time's news would be a fantastic enjoyment for me

	18-08-2005 03:12									#28
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why tolkein was better than withdrawing from Gaza

1. Tolkien didnt divide the Jewish people, other than literary types and nerds

2. Tolkien had good poetry, instead of hackneyed songs.

3. the hardcover had nice colors, instead of orange

4. Tolkien had Elves. No elves in the disengagement

5. The occupation of Mordor has no projected end

6. In Tolkien, the lost king returns. Meanwhile we're still waiting.

7. When the Elves go to elvenhome, nobody bothers them about it.

	18-08-2005 03:13									#29
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Jesus H Christ, a Jew doesnt even have the right to live in Jerusalem?

Why does anyone have a right to live anywhere?

	18-08-2005 03:26									#30
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark why tolkein was better than withdrawing from Gaza 1. Tolkien didnt divide the Jewish people, other than literary types and nerds 2. Tolkien had good poetry, instead of hackneyed songs. 3. the hardcover had nice colors, instead of orange 4. Tolkien had Elves. No elves in the disengagement 5. The occupation of Mordor has no projected end 6. In Tolkien, the lost king returns. Meanwhile we're still waiting. 7. When the Elves go to elvenhome, nobody bothers them about it.

nice we'd make good company!
at the movie theater at the scene at the city siege i said g'dammit we didnt have the elves in constantinople

you know of course btw that i refered to tolkien for my "made up" semetic language i used there.

nice