20-08-2005 17:18									#31
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That a misogynist is gay kinda goes without saying, doesn't it? Hey, just look at Plato; the ur-misogynist, and gayer than a gay thing.

	20-08-2005 21:57									#32
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It must be said:

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	20-08-2005 22:17									#33
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I'd be seriously disturbed if he HADN'T opposed a law mandating equal pay for women. That's one of the most seriousy retarded proposals I've ever seen.

	21-08-2005 07:06									#34
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Why?

	21-08-2005 07:17									#35
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Because outside of commieland, it's generally accepted as a bad idea to have a massive government agency regulating everyone's wages.

	21-08-2005 07:23									#36
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In response to the thread title: MrFun is a tool.

	21-08-2005 07:42									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Because outside of commieland, it's generally accepted as a bad idea to have a massive government agency regulating everyone's wages.

How about having a massive government agency issuing national ID cards to everyone and requiring them to carry them?

	21-08-2005 07:43									#39
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That sucks too, but probably requires less manpower than a wage controlling organization.

Unless you just set the wages for every job, not allowing variation amongst employers.

	21-08-2005 07:44									#40
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why do you guys care what this little twerp thinks?

	21-08-2005 07:45									#41
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We don't. That's why we ignore you.

	21-08-2005 07:46									#42
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	21-08-2005 07:51									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Because outside of commieland, it's generally accepted as a bad idea to have a massive government agency regulating everyone's wages.

Who needs a massive agency? Anyway, equal pay is more or less the law of the land, since if women can prove ther pay differential is based on gender discrimination, they can sue.

	21-08-2005 07:56									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker That sucks too, but probably requires less manpower than a wage controlling organization.

I don't recall seeing anywhere that the legislation he was arguing against required establishing any such thing.

	21-08-2005 07:56									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Because outside of commieland, it's generally accepted as a bad idea to have a massive government agency regulating everyone's wages.

Wasn't it terrible the way the federal government intervened to end legal segregation in the 60s?

	21-08-2005 07:58									#46
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Wasn't it terrible the way the federal government intervened to end legal segregation in the 60s?

No. However, completely missing the point is.

	21-08-2005 07:59									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar No. However, completely missing the point is.

I saw his point, and it was a very dull one.

	21-08-2005 08:00									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I don't recall seeing anywhere that the legislation he was arguing against required establishing any such thing.

That's the necessary and logical conclusion.

How are you going to mandate this, without such an organization (or forcing the courts to deal with it)?

	21-08-2005 08:41									#49
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The court route was my understanding. Isn't that how unfair employment practices are dealt with now?

	21-08-2005 12:00									#50
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Considering that even the Mesozoic wasteland known as the USA has income tax, presumably the state already knows who pays whom what.

	21-08-2005 18:19									#51
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That's not the point. The point is, how do you determine exactly what constitutes "equal work"?

	21-08-2005 19:44									#52
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Wait a second here people. The exact thing that Robert was opposing were attempts to mandate that jobs of "equal worth" were paid equally NOT that women shouldn't be paid the same for doing the exact same job.

You see at that time some people were realizing that women were generally paid less because they're concentrated in different industries and they wanted to fix that by trying to get people to give equal pay to jobs of subjectively-defined "equal worth" so that women would make as much as men.

The article takes things out of context horrifically.

	21-08-2005 21:14									#53
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Ouch, that's even worse than I thought it was.

Major props to Roberts for not being insane

	21-08-2005 21:22									#54
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	21-08-2005 21:28									#55
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Really, I don't see what the fuss over this guy is. From what I can see, he's basically as neutral a candidate as possible, who just cares about the law, and he seems to be a decent judge. The Dems should just accept him. I mean, if they shoot down this guy, do they think they're going to actually get someone who's a lefty?

	21-08-2005 21:30									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Bosh You see at that time some people were realizing that women were generally paid less because they're concentrated in different industries and they wanted to fix that by trying to get people to give equal pay to jobs of subjectively-defined "equal worth" so that women would make as much as men.

I don't see how that would be enforceable even if there was some big agency created to handle it.

	21-08-2005 21:35									#57
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That's why it's retarded.

	21-08-2005 21:40									#58
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Gee, thanks for that clarification.

	21-08-2005 21:58									#59
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quote: You see at that time some people were realizing that women were generally paid less because they're concentrated in different industries and they wanted to fix that by trying to get people to give equal pay to jobs of subjectively-defined "equal worth" so that women would make as much as men.

That's the main problem here. The issue isn't, equal pay for equal work, the issue is whether the market ought to determine how much each profession pays, or whether the state ought to decide through an arbitrary formula.

I mean, if we believe that women ought to be compensated equally to men, regardless of their profession, then why should anyone be paid differently for the different jobs that they do? Why not pay everyone the same amount?

	21-08-2005 22:14									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Really, I don't see what the fuss over this guy is. From what I can see, he's basically as neutral a candidate as possible, who just cares about the law, and he seems to be a decent judge. The Dems should just accept him. I mean, if they shoot down this guy, do they think they're going to actually get someone who's a lefty?

The dems want more documents to shift through in order to find some gotcha passages, they obviously haven't found any yet if they're resorting to BS like in this linked article. The Bushies are stonewalling the dems on the documents.