21-08-2005 22:15									#61
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I'm wondering why they're bothering to oppose him at all. Spend the political capital somewhere else.

	21-08-2005 23:26									#62
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Why? To piss him off, that's why. It's an easy way to harrass the President without costing them anything. Frankly, Roberts is a far better candidate than anyone who wasn't a reactionary had a right to expect.

	21-08-2005 23:33									#63
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Why harass the President about doing something good?

	21-08-2005 23:34									#64
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Because they can.

	21-08-2005 23:35									#65
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Because they can are retarded.

Fixed.

	21-08-2005 23:37									#66
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The President is the enemy. No ground should be surrendered without making him pay a cost. If he has to fight for the easy things, it makes it that much harder for him to force his reactionary agenda down the country's throat.

	21-08-2005 23:38									#67
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That's a really stupid way of looking at things.

	21-08-2005 23:40									#68
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it's called politics... maybe when you grow up you'll understand

	21-08-2005 23:41									#69
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The country is exceedingly partisan now. Things have been headed this way since '94.

Nor is it a stupid way to look at things. If you fear the President's agenda, and all intelligent people do, then you do everything in your power to slow or stop it.

	21-08-2005 23:43									#70
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You should try to slow or stop those parts that you fear. Not the good parts.

	21-08-2005 23:45									#71
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In a less partisan atmosphere, that would be the case. The GOP poisoned the well. Now they must drink.

	21-08-2005 23:47									#72
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The dems are only hurting themselves, no the republicans.

	21-08-2005 23:49									#73
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They'd only hurt themselves if they succeeded in derailing Roberts. I don't believe they intend to do that.

	21-08-2005 23:50									#74
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they look stupid either way

	21-08-2005 23:54									#75
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They only look stupid to peple who already think they are stupid, thus they lose nothing.

	21-08-2005 23:55									#76
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I don't think they're always stupid. This, however, is.

	21-08-2005 23:59									#77
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It takes away from the time and effort the President has to push other stupid things. If we had a even a halfway competant President, then yes, this would be stupid. As it is, it's slowing down his agenda to destroy America.

	22-08-2005 00:02									#78
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No it's not. It's just making the Dem's look like there's nothing good on which to attack the President, so they have to resort to this.

	22-08-2005 00:09									#79
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Whatever, I don't care. They're all corrupt and implicit in the unraveling of our social fabric. **** 'em all.

	22-08-2005 01:44									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The dems are only hurting themselves, no the republicans.

Wrongo. The Dems hurt themselves in the Daschle era by not opposing the administration enough. It turned off the base while not giving independents a reason to choose them over Republicans.

Now that they've had the Dean-Reid-Pelosi spine transplant, they're much more effective at standing up to the administration, and it's paid off huge political (as well as monetary) dividends.

And, btw, the Dems aren't opposing Roberts at the moment. All they've asked for is full disclosure of his background before confirmation hearings, which the White House stonewalled for a while. Otherwise, Reid and other Dem senators have only been saying that it's premature to discuss anything until the hearings.

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quote: Wrongo. The Dems hurt themselves in the Daschle era by not opposing the administration enough. It turned off the base while not giving independents a reason to choose them over Republicans.

Whereas opposing the Republicans where they are reasonable and correct is sure to give independents a reason to choose Democrats over Republicans, right?

	22-08-2005 02:55									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: Wrongo. The Dems hurt themselves in the Daschle era by not opposing the administration enough. It turned off the base while not giving independents a reason to choose them over Republicans. Whereas opposing the Republicans where they are reasonable and correct is sure to give independents a reason to choose Democrats over Republicans, right?

They aren't opposing Roberts at the moment.

And even opposing the Republicans on "reasonable" things might not hurt them, esp. wrt to rallying the base. That tactic has worked with the Republicans and their base, after all. Logic and politics aren't exactly common bedfellows.

	22-08-2005 03:05									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Sava it's called politics... maybe when you grow up you'll understand

Ageist slurs aren't needed in a reasonable political discussion.

	22-08-2005 03:15									#84
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Sava isn't needed in a reasonable discussion.

Anyway, I don't see where Sava's coming from, since he has yet to grow up himself.

	22-08-2005 03:39									#85
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	22-08-2005 07:05									#86
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Ageist slurs aren't needed in a reasonable political discussion.

Yes it is, it's called "bait for Ozzy to bring up Youth Rights"

	22-08-2005 07:51									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Sava isn't needed in a reasonable discussion.

	22-08-2005 07:54									#88
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It's sad when Poly is more reliable than MSN

	22-08-2005 08:03									#89
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Yaguare, use AIM

	22-08-2005 09:35									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker That's a really stupid way of looking at things.

Grow up Kuci (agist slur +1)! It's a very intelligent political move. Opposing the President on the easy things makes it him think twice about the harder things. The Republicans used it brilliantly during the 90s after they gained power by Gingrich. He understood that principle and made Clinton into an uber-moderate whereas when he came into office he proposed a single-payer health care system and had raised taxes. The Democrats under Reid are trying to take that lesson from the Gingrich Republicans.