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I am not entirely sure why there is such a discrepancy with so many countries but will look into it when I have the time (I've been really busy today helping fit the mast to a friend's Catamaran)


I can think of two possible reasons:
-Different structure of the bussiness sector, including workers -employers relations and unionization - this approach faces problems with europe, who AFAIK has relatively stronger unionization than Israel, for example.
- Different industries have different importances for capital and labor.

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What, specifically, is this latest labor tiff about?

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Korean labor

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I don't know what the problem is, my work hours are rather like the Koreans.

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what's your pay like, doc?

yeah that's what I thought

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Being a doctor, he probably deserves every cent of it.

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depends...

just being a doctor doesn't mean he deserves it

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I just cannot help but imagine what the United States would be like if the Teamsters were like this. I've seen some of those guys through my dad.

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I've seen some of those guys through my dad.
SON OF THE INVISIBLE MAN!

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SYNTAX ERROR.

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no sorry, you are exposed... your father will now be taken into custody so he can be studied.

we have thermal goggles, there is no escape!

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Notes:

-a lot of these protests are 'seasonal'. I noticed that there is always somekind of huge 'demo' in august.

-Intriguingly, the majority of red scarves, headbands, signs etc are not made by unions, communist orgs or individuals but are bought from a single Seoul based private company which specializes and has its ENTIRE business based around 'demo paraphernalia'.

Somewhat ironically, the private corp was able to deliver banners, signs, and other stuff more quickly, at lower cost, and with personalized slogans than the unions were. Take that however you want.

Remember 'Bosh', just look for an Australian if you get mixed up in a riot.....they usually know what to do...

Like 'Bosh' said, to be a unionized worker at a big company in SK is a cushy job (for Asia...) these guys are protesting because:
a) those jobs are going to china
b) they get lots of money but they must work PUNISHING hours
c) it's just that time of year again

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Sounds like they're right to protest - They were paid a lot - but also worked very hard for that money. And now they're going to get their livelyhoods taken away from them.

Protestors ( the is for the molotov cocktails, which shouldn't be used)

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Korea is an authoritarian state with the corporations firmly in control, even if moderate-left-wingers win the elections from time to time. Yeah, I feel bad for the draftees, but when you stand against freedom, I'm not gonna feel too bad.


so are they protesting for further POLITICAL reforms to make the state more democratic? What is the political reform agenda in South Korea?

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what's your pay like, doc?

yeah that's what I thought



About the same as a pharmacist.

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so are they protesting for further POLITICAL reforms to make the state more democratic? What is the political reform agenda in South Korea?


Politics and economics are inseparable.

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I'm not partial to burning people as a means of protest. Do you have any idea how bad burnt human flesh smells?

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Yeah, I take issue with the molotov bottles, also.

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Doc: like victory

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Anyway, I think S. Korea has bigger concerns to worry about.

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A Tourism Plan's Itsy-Bitsy, Teeny-Weeny Miscalculation

By NORIMITSU ONISHI
Published: August 23, 2005
BYEONSAN BIKINI BEACH, South Korea - It seemed like a good idea, a surefire way to catapult this beach into the ranks of Bali and Waikiki: a 10 percent discount for anyone in a bikini.

A shopkeeper's poster offers a 10 percent discount to anyone in a bikini. Byeonsan Bikini Beach was renamed to lure more visitors.
It all started back in 2003 when local officials here, racking their brains over how to lure visitors to this stretch on South Korea's rural west coast, decided that a name change was due. Byeonsan Beach was reborn, with "Bikini" in its name.

While the change might not persuade modest locals of the merits of bikinis or Speedos overnight, the reasoning went, it could attract less inhibited visitors from Seoul. But after droves of bikini-wearers failed to turn up last year, the locals had to come up with something else.

"Since it's called Bikini Beach, we thought we should give visitors an extra incentive," said Gang Heung Ueon, a spokesman for Buan County, sitting at a beachside fish restaurant specializing in clam porridge and raw cod.

A poster of a bikini-clad woman in the restaurant explained the new incentive, in effect since July 7: "Show off your bikini! Get a 10 percent discount on top!"

Of the 45 restaurants, motels and other businesses in the area, 38 were participating. But so far, bikinis have proven elusive, Mr. Gang said. Only 10 percent of beachgoers have opted for skimpiness, he said - a figure that, on later inspection, seemed a stretch.

Still, on a recent Saturday, expectations were high. The Miss Byeonsan Bikini Contest - called the Miss Byeonsan Beauty Contest until last year - was taking place. The contestants themselves would at least wear bikinis, or so went the promise.

"This beach might be compared one day to Bali or to other famous beaches in Southeast Asia," Mr. Gang said.

"It's," he added, "a long-term goal."

Byeonsan, like other local governments in the country, had little need to conceive of creative ideas until a decade ago. The central government had simply appointed administrators from Seoul to run local governments until 1995, providing little incentive for local officials to try to stand out.

But now "a lot of creative ideas are coming out of the regions from ambitious politicians who want to move on to higher office," said Ahn Young Hoon, a scholar at the Korea Research Institute for Local Administration.

Suffering a scarcity of industries and depopulation, rural areas are trying to create a distinct image - a "C.I.," or "company identity," in the jargon popular among local government officials - to attract tourists and investors. The word "amenity," used in English and unfathomable to most Koreans, has become the guiding principle for several local governments.

"You look behind the times if you don't use it at least three times in a presentation," Park Hyung Jae, a spokesman for the Namhae County government on the peninsula's southeastern shore, said of the "amenity" catchphrase.

After - or perhaps despite - looking up the word in a dictionary, Mr. Park concluded that it meant "regional, agricultural, environmentally friendly, pollution-free, primitive, natural, pure." The county now boasts of its "green amenity."

"It's now familiar because nowadays we use it as often as we eat kimchi," Mr. Park said, mentioning Korea's national dish.

In Seocheon County, directly north of here, "Amenity Seocheon" is the motto used to advertise the region's unspoiled wilderness. The county also proposed a dog-eating festival for lovers of the meat, which is considered a delicacy in Korea.

"But some pet-lovers opposed the idea and we dropped it," said Lee Jin Hee, a county official.

Byeonsan County, too, drew opposition from a women's group after announcing its bikini discount, Mr. Gang said.

Under a blazing sun, with many local men in shirts and trousers and women holding parasols, the bikini contest began at 2 p.m. on the beach. A few dozen local young women appeared on stage, wearing cancan dresses and then changing into one-piece swimsuits.

Few women in bikinis or men in Speedos could be seen on the beach. When asked about their choice of swimwear, several women in bikinis ran away.

"A lot of women won't wear bikinis because they don't want to get sunburned," said Choi Eun Jeong, 28, who wore a bikini but had not received the discount yet.

"I think it would have been better as a nude beach," her boyfriend, Lee Woo Ho, 32, added, drawing an angry glance.

The beauty contestants, still in their one-piece swimsuits, showed off their talents. A few sang. One would-be flight attendant gave airplane information in Korean, Japanese and English. Another walked suggestively around the stage. An especially tall contestant danced a sexy dance, towering over the M.C., who compared her to an eel.

Watching the contest, standing atop a five-inch mound of sand he had built, Byun Young Il, 35, bemoaned the fact that few men had chosen to wear the same kind of short swimsuit briefs he was wearing.

"In reality, it's better for Korean men to wear Speedos because their legs tend to be short and it makes them look taller," Mr. Byun said, a cigarette pack and orange lighter sticking out of the back of his briefs. "But they tend to be shy."

Professional models came on stage, sporting bikinis and swimsuit briefs. But as the bikini contest unfolded, chances that it would live up to its billing seemed to dim.

At the grocery store where Roh Yong Hwan, 24, worked, only about 10 people had asked for the discount since it went into effect.

"If what they're wearing is a little skimpy, or if they're at least wearing a bikini top, we'll give them the discount," Mr. Roh said.

The contest, as well as this summer day, was nearing its end. The beachgoers began packing up their belongings. The eel woman was crowned "Miss Byeonsan Bikini Beach."

And the bikini, as elusive as ever, would be for another summer day.

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engrish amenity!

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Protesting:

Using Molotov cocktails:

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freedom isn't free

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so are they protesting for further POLITICAL reforms to make the state more democratic? What is the political reform agenda in South Korea?


Politics and economics are inseparable.


But theyre not the same.


CG said Korea is an authoritarian state. If so, I dont think higher wages or shorter hours will change that. An authoritarian state requires political reforms. If there is no movement for political reform, I would discount the statement that Korea is authoritarian, unless CG means that any state that is as dominated by a few firms as ROK is ipso facto authoritarian. In which case his statement is far less significant than I thought.

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Not the same, but interconnected enough to make it possible for them to protest for democracy without demanding changes in the voting procedure, or some such.

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Arm & Hammer deoderant has a Victory scent. It smells nothing like victory, more like musk.

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I would want to @DaShi's story, but lamentably we have to face such idiocy more and more every day.
I hate modern event and fun culture and all these motivated, uncreative self-proclaimed politicians, journalists etc.
Where are the times, when the central government simply appointed the regional governors and there was no incentive to stand out with stupidity.

 
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