24-08-2005 21:57									#31
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The White House needs a new paint job anyway...

	24-08-2005 21:58									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha it may have something to do with the massive trade surplus they enjoy with their supposedly evil protectionist neighbor.

And the trade surplus may have to do with the fact that Americans live on credit.

There's something very wrong in the US national psyche. As a country it spends more than it earns. It's not a tenable position.

Don't try blaming other people for your mistakes.

	24-08-2005 22:07									#33
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No, it has something to do with the fact that you have US currency, and aren't using it to buy US made goods. It does not matter that you got it from someone that now owes a debt to someone else, you have it.

	24-08-2005 22:11									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha No, it has something to do with the fact that you have US currency, and aren't using it to buy US made goods.

Make better goods.

	24-08-2005 22:12									#35
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Yes, and we're going to invest it in the US, not spend it on the overpriced low-quality crap that comes out of there. There no such thing as a promise that we'll spend the money on stuff you want us to. If the US wants to sell off its assets in order to maintain its lifestyle, then feel free. Just don't ***** about it to your hardworking, frugal neighbours.

The fundamental problem here is not in other countries; it's in the ridiculously low savings rate of the US. You're a country of spendthrifts. Grow up and live within your means.

	24-08-2005 22:18									#36
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Poor whoha. Apparently he thinks there's a conspiracy among dirty foreign commies to drive the US into bankruptcy by forcing them to buy **** that we produce.

	24-08-2005 22:19									#37
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Yes, and we're going to invest it in the US, not spend it on the overpriced low-quality crap that comes out of there. There no such thing as a promise that we'll spend the money on stuff you want us to. If the US wants to sell off its assets in order to maintain its lifestyle, then feel free. Just don't ***** about it to your hardworking, frugal neighbours. The fundamental problem here is not in other countries; it's in the ridiculously low savings rate of the US. You're a country of spendthrifts. Grow up and live within your means.

Foreigners are net sellers of US stock right now, its not being invested.

	24-08-2005 22:21									#38
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Poor whoha. Apparently he thinks there's a conspiracy among dirty foreign commies to drive the US into bankruptcy by forcing them to buy **** that we produce.

on the contrary, our mistakes are ours alone.

	24-08-2005 22:21									#39
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GET YOUR **** TOGETHER

	24-08-2005 22:21									#40
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I'd be selling my assets in a country that was flouting treaties and international obligations as well.

Nothing good is going to come of this.

I really want to buy some Euros. Got any spare?

	24-08-2005 22:22									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha Foreigners are net sellers of US stock right now, its not being invested.

Over the short term, perhaps. Over any reasonable term that money buys US assets.

	24-08-2005 22:25									#42
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Unless you think that Canadians are using US dollars to insulate their houses?

	24-08-2005 22:26									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha No, it has something to do with the fact that you have US currency, and aren't using it to buy US made goods. It does not matter that you got it from someone that now owes a debt to someone else, you have it.

And you have the energy, food, minerals and other resources that you paid us for with those dollars.

It's called trade. The reason there is such an imbalance with Canada is that we supply you with the stuff that you need to run your country and live your lives.

The funny thing is that it's largely imported by US companies to their facilities for processing, but you seem to want to complain about it.

Stop building sprawling cities. Stop driving SUVs. Close your factories. Then you'll have far less need for the resources that we sell you and you'll be happier about the closer balance in trade.

	24-08-2005 22:35									#45
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Right now the US owes the rest of the world 2-3 months of its GDP

You're making 12 trillion a year, but spending 13.

How long can it last?

	24-08-2005 22:54									#46
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis just curious: are those steel tariffs still in place or got they lifted ?

The anti-dumping measure that Canada,Mexico, and a whole host of other countries were exempted from, yet still jumped on the WTO suit? they were lifted a while back.

quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Right now the US owes the rest of the world 2-3 months of its GDP You're making 12 trillion a year, but spending 13. How long can it last?

until the rest of the world says no more, or we stop it ourselves.

	24-08-2005 22:55									#47
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The next round of negociations should be a best 4 out of 7 held at the Bell Center and the Madison Square Garden. Since we are the injured party we have the choice of the weapons.

	24-08-2005 22:58									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha until the rest of the world says no more, or we stop it ourselves.

So learn to live within your means.

Our citizens are just as free to buy foreign goods as yours are, yet somehow they manage to restrict themselves to what they can afford?

What the **** is the problem with Americans?

	24-08-2005 23:00									#49
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Not enough non-tariff barriers

	24-08-2005 23:00									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu The next round of negociations should be a best 4 out of 7 held at the Bell Center and the Madison Square Garden. Since we are the injured party we have the choice of the weapons.

	24-08-2005 23:02									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha Not enough non-tariff barriers

Such as?

Stop whining. Nobody's secretly stopping US goods from coming into their country.

You just can't admit that Americans are born consumers...

	24-08-2005 23:05									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger While the US talks of free trade, it keeps trying to close its own markets by accusing effective competitors of dumping, or subsidizing (this is particularly ironic), or some such. Then it can slap tariffs on them.

You want to talk about hypocrisy...

	24-08-2005 23:06									#53
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I missed that one

	24-08-2005 23:06									#54
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GM crop for one. Even Mexico maintains such bans despite the fact that we let all of their food up here, with some fairly bad consequences.

	24-08-2005 23:09									#55
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Then there is this gem from Japan:"Harley faces similar challenges elsewhere in the world. Japan, for instance, had a requirement that any person wanting to own a 400cc or larger motorcycle -- a Harley-Davidson -- had to pass a riding exam. "One of the tests was to ride a motorcycle across a balance beam," said the Harley CEO. "You see the difficulty a gymnast has in doing that, imagine trying to ride a large motorcycle along a balance beam? It was not quite as far off the ground, but if you fell off it was a special experience."

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/04/0402/art1.html

	24-08-2005 23:11									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha GM crop for one. Even Mexico maintains such bans despite the fact that we let all of their food up here, with some fairly bad consequences.

Yes, god forbid they exclude your massively subsidised agroproducts. How unfair.

Still not seeing what this has to do with Canada, BTW...

	24-08-2005 23:13									#57
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"Stop whining. Nobody's secretly stopping US goods from coming into their country."

	24-08-2005 23:14									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha Then there is this gem from Japan:"Harley faces similar challenges elsewhere in the world. Japan, for instance, had a requirement that any person wanting to own a 400cc or larger motorcycle -- a Harley-Davidson -- had to pass a riding exam. "One of the tests was to ride a motorcycle across a balance beam," said the Harley CEO. "You see the difficulty a gymnast has in doing that, imagine trying to ride a large motorcycle along a balance beam? It was not quite as far off the ground, but if you fell off it was a special experience." http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/04/0402/art1.html

Hmmm. How much business does Harley expect to do in Japan?

I counter with 5 billion lost trade with the US in beef products over the mad cow scare, despite the fact that the USDA has been "losing" suspected cases of mad cow in US animals for a decade now...

	24-08-2005 23:15									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha "Stop whining. Nobody's secretly stopping US goods from coming into their country."

I'm asking you why you spend hundreds of billions more than you make and you counter with Harleys?

Smooth move. That's got to be a significant part of the trade gap. Sure.

	24-08-2005 23:17									#60
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You've collected 4.1 billion in illegal tariffs on softwood.

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