24-08-2005 23:18									#61
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you want examples, there you go.

	24-08-2005 23:19									#62
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse You've collected 4.1 billion in illegal tariffs on softwood. PAY UP

just wait a month.

	24-08-2005 23:28									#63
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I don't like a trade war but there comes a point when you have to assess the longer term. If the US can ignore NAFTA here with no consequences what will stop them from doing so again?

Is there any way we could slap a tariff on natural gas that had to be PAID by the US consumers. I want the 4 billion dollars

	24-08-2005 23:29									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha you want examples, there you go.

I want real examples, not how harley lost a few million in potential sales.

You've got 700 billion to explain.

Where's the beef?

	24-08-2005 23:30									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber I don't like a trade war but there comes a point when you have to assess the longer term. If the US can ignore NAFTA here with no consequences what will stop them from doing so again? Is there any way we could slap a tariff on natural gas that had to be PAID by the US consumers. I want the 4 billion dollars

Of course we can. We're allowed to put export taxes on whatever we want. But the federal gov't is trying to avoid pissing off Alberta...

	24-08-2005 23:34									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Duh real men fight real wars. Only pansy Canadians fight a trade war

To be fair, Canada was quick to jump to aid our allies in both World Wars when they broke out.

It was the US that sat on their asses until they were attacked before getting the balls to fight.

	24-08-2005 23:38									#67
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Of course we can. We're allowed to put export taxes on whatever we want. But the federal gov't is trying to avoid pissing off Alberta...

How about electricity. Does BC export as much to the states as Quebec does?

	24-08-2005 23:38									#68
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The US doesn't like conflict.

	24-08-2005 23:39									#69
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Collecting the money in tariffs is generally a better idea, unless there's a commodity like oil or gas which is in such strong demand at such high prices that an export tax will not hurt exports too much.

	24-08-2005 23:39									#70
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi The US doesn't like conflict.

QFT

	24-08-2005 23:41									#71
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But yeah, I'd be in favour of putting an export tax on all energy products to the US until this is resolved. Hydro, oil, natural gas, coal.

Do it on an increasing basis. Start at a dollar a barrel, and move from there...

	24-08-2005 23:46									#72
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The irony is that Canada would be better off if it stopped clear cutting tree in order to mass produce cheap 2x4s.

More jobs would be created in Canada through selective cutting of high quality lumber that could be used in Canadian factories too make other products.

The problem is the Canadian logging industry isn't willing to invest in new sawmills that can produce high quality lumber.

	24-08-2005 23:50									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Asher To be fair, Canada was quick to jump to aid our allies in both World Wars when they broke out. It was the US that sat on their asses until they were attacked before getting the balls to fight.

Yeah and generally it begins with the US being horrifically unprepared for an attack.

Canada steps up when we see the cause as just. Thats why we have troops in Afghanistan ( you know . . . that place where AQ ACTUALLY WAS (and is).

Also . . we manage to be every bit as free as the Americans without being hated anywhere near as much worldwide ( some of that is superpower envy but not all of it)

	24-08-2005 23:51									#74
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No fair bringing facts into the debate

	24-08-2005 23:52									#75
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This lumber thing is an example-- because the US is big and powerful, the attitudeseems to be "screw Canada and screw any panel decision we don't like"

So we don't SELL timberlands to forestry interests-- DEAL with it !!

Oh and please send 4.1 billion dollars

	24-08-2005 23:55									#76
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I want real examples, not how harley lost a few million in potential sales. You've got 700 billion to explain. Where's the beef?

618 billion. And there are something like 250,000 exporters in the US, one of them isn't going to account for 100 billion all by itself.

	24-08-2005 23:57									#77
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Do you really think that there are 250 000 cases like the one you just mentioned?

	25-08-2005 00:02									#78
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What a conspiracy theorist. Some japanese motorcycle maker manages to get a piece of targetted legislation through and all of a sudden it explains the world's biggest current account deficit

God knows the same sorts of hijinks don't happen in the US...

	25-08-2005 00:15									#79
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Do you really think that there are 250 000 cases like the one you just mentioned?

I do think that Tariff and non-tariff barriers by the rest of the world limit US exports,yes.

	25-08-2005 00:17									#80
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Son, do you understand the numbers involved?

Do you think that US exprters are so limited by non-tariff barriers that it explains most of the current account deficit?

	25-08-2005 00:19									#81
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Nontarriff barriers is the most facile explanation I've ever heard for the state of the US NIIP

	25-08-2005 00:21									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha I do think that Tariff and non-tariff barriers by the rest of the world limit US exports,yes.

	25-08-2005 00:27									#83
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Are you going to answer my question or not?

You've stated that you think non-tariff barriers limit US exports. This is obviously true, and nontariff barriers exist in the US as well. Legal tariff barriers do not enter into it, as we're discussing nations which have trade agreements with the US which limit the tariffs bilaterally or multilaterally.

The question now is whether or not you're going to make the claim that non-tariff barriers are even a significant piece of this puzzle. Do you think that they block hundreds of billions of dollars worth of exports from the US every year? Do you think that there's some sort of wide-ranging conspiracy to deny US exporters access to markets across the world?

	25-08-2005 00:33									#84
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Yes I believe they do as well. Perhaps not hundreds of billions but they are significant.

	25-08-2005 04:27									#85
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And how many of them are in place in Canada?

	25-08-2005 05:39									#86
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Whoha, you are a freaking nut (well you'd have to be to be a protectionist, I guess). KH is right... that's a HELL of a lot of money to be blocked by non-tariff barriers. So much that it's absurd to claim that is the main problem!

	25-08-2005 07:16									#87
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse What the **** is the problem with Americans?

I dunno. Why don't you ask your fellow Baltimorians?

	25-08-2005 07:16									#88
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What generally drives imports and exports to more or less match anyway? It seems to me as if they are driven by entirely different consumers and there doesn't seem to be anything to cause them to relate to each other directly or even indirectly.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse But yeah, I'd be in favour of putting an export tax on all energy products to the US until this is resolved. Hydro, oil, natural gas, coal. Do it on an increasing basis. Start at a dollar a barrel, and move from there...

I think the Government is thinking corn. :http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...Story/National/

In any event, you don't want to use an export tax, which simply makes your commodity uncompetative. Adding tariffs makes the other guy's commodity uncompetative.

	25-08-2005 07:42									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo What generally drives imports and exports to more or less match anyway? It seems to me as if they are driven by entirely different consumers and there doesn't seem to be anything to cause them to relate to each other directly or even indirectly.

Currency exchange rates. If country A have a trade surplus with country B then A will hold a surplus of B's currency. A isn't buying goods with the money, so either he's buying his own currency back or he's investing in B's economy. Either way, he drives down the value of B's currency relative to his own, making it harder to export goods and services to B...