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Laz is right, the French haven't got a hope when it comes to poets. Although if anyone mentions Wordsworth as a Great Britain hope, then I'll laugh so much I might spill my pint. And you wouldn't want that to happen.
Fortunately, although he wrote almost all of his work in Britain, Wilde doesn't count, or else they'd have a pretty tough time with drama too.

Stick to the novels mes braves!

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Speaking of shelley
mary shelley- frankenstein

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Oh, and I was under the impression that William could (almost) actually write, and his brother Walter took all the glory because he was mopre photogenic.

You know, like Marlowe/Jonson/Bacon/Earl of Essex wrote the Shakespeare plays.



i thought Romeo and Juliet was written by Bernstein and Sondheim

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Frankenstein is good, and makes up for whoever mentioned Dracula. Yack!

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Laz is right, the French haven't got a hope when it comes to poets. Fortunately, although he wrote almost all of his work in Britain, Wilde doesn't count, or else they'd have a pretty tough time with drama too.

Stick to the novels mes braves!


Its a question of tactics, and Id say the french made the right call. If they went head to head on novelists, y'all could use poets as the coup de grace. Instead theyre mixing it up on poets already, having forced y'all to play catch up on novelists.

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I match you with Keats, then raise you a Byron and a Percy Bysshe Shelley.

When it came to doomed young romantic poets, the Brit Pack made the French look like a bunch of eunuchs.


I bet they would love that!

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ok, focusing on women again, two who wrote under male noms de plumes, BOTH under the name George/Georges


For the Brits

George ElliotDaniel Derrida (?), and a bunch of others


For the French

George Sand - I dont recall what she wrote, just that she was Chopin's girlfriend (or am i misremembering)


Dansed

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lotm, to whom were you referring when you said "y'all"?

I'm from Blighty my good chap, but I'm with our European friends on this one.

Oh, and it was George Sand (only one S)

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lotm, to whom were you referring when you said "y'all"?

I'm from Blighty my good chap, but I'm with our European friends on this one.


in the above post, y'all referred to the Brit fellas.

Of course you need not stick with your fellow nationals on the question of this rumble.

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Next we have William Makepeace "Vanity Fair" Thackeray, and Richard "Lorna Doone" Blackmore. Reel with.

Feel the pain, France!

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I match you with Keats, then raise you a Byron and a Percy Bysshe Shelley.

When it came to doomed young romantic poets, the Brit Pack made the French look like a bunch of eunuchs.


I match you with Rimbaud, then raise you with Verlaine and Mallarmé. I don't know if I win, because I don't know beans about poetry...

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Lorna Doone's rubbish too. Reeled in.

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Globalization note - Andrew Lloyd Webber, a Brit, has made a musical (Broadway style, typically US) based on one of his most famous novels, Les Miserables. ("Have you been Mizzed yet?")


Gaaack, No.

ALW has nothing to do with the musical. It was written by the team of Claude-Michel Schonberg and Alain Boublil (decidely French).

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I match you with Rimbaud, then raise you with Verlaine and Mallarmé. I don't know if I win, because I don't know beans about poetry...


And now you're left staring up the twin barrels of Coleridge and Tennyson.

Too easy!

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Gaaack, No.

ALW has nothing to do with the musical. It was written by the team of Claude-Michel Schonberg and Alain Boublil (decidely French).


Oops.

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What about Keats, or Shaw?

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And now you're left staring up the twin barrels of Coleridge and Tennyson.

Too easy!


Is Coleridge really post-1800?

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What about Keats, or Shaw?

I think someone said Keats, and Shaws definitely post 1900.

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What about Keats, or Shaw?



GB Shaw's greatest works are all 20th century.

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He wrote Mrs. Warren's profession in 1894, so he straddles the centuries.



I'll replace Keats then with Hemans.

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GB Shaw's greatest works are all 20th century.


So are Irving Shaw's

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Coleridge wrote Kubla Khan in 1817, so I'd have to say so.

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Well, well, well, didn't know there were so many poetry buffs on the board. I thought you were tough guys, Navy Seals material, not fragile, sensible human beings in touch with your feminine side

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I'm gonna drop a Brit h-bomb . . .

Alfred Lord Tennyson

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so far

French

Victor Hugo
Honoré de Balzac
Gustave Flaubert
Émile Zola
Jules Verne
Alfred de Musset
Charles Baudelaire
Edmond Rostand
Guy de Maupassant
George Sand
Rimbaud
Verlaine
Mallarmé

British

Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Doyle
Charlotte Bronte
Abraham 'Bram' Stoker
Charles Dickens
Joseph Conrad
R. L. Stevenson
H. G. Wells
Kipling
Emily Bronte,
Thomas Hardy
Sir Walter Scott
Lewis Carrol
Jane Austen
Keats
Byron
Percy Bysshe Shelley.
mary shelley
George Elliot
William Makepeace Thackeray
Richard Blackmore.
Coleridge
Tennyson
Hemans (?)


But remember, its quality, not just quantity

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ok
Austen vs Balzac
Dickens vs Zola
Carrol vs Verne
Thackery vs Hugo

Byron vs Baudelaire
Coleridge vs Rimbaud


I get the sense the brits are winning.

But I still dont see any single Brit novelist whose quite the equivalent of Flaubert.

Maybe Conrad? Can Heart of Darkness stand up to Madame Bovary?

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Stendhal

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Marie-Henri Beyle (January 23, 1783 – March 23, 1842), better known by his penname Stendhal, was a 19th century French writer. He is known for his acute analysis of his characters' psychology and for the dryness of his writing-style. He is considered one of the foremost and earliest practioners of the realistic form, and his best novels are Le Rouge et le noir (1830; The Red and the Black) and La Chartreuse de Parme (1839; The Charterhouse of Parma).


Alfred Jarry

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Alfred Jarry (September 8, 1873 – November 1, 1907) was a French writer born in Laval, Mayenne, France, not far from the border of Brittany; he was of Breton descent on his mother's side.

Best known for his play Ubu Roi (1896), which is often cited as a forerunner to the theatre of the absurd, Jarry wrote in a variety of genres and styles. He wrote plays, novels, poetry, essays and speculative journalism. His texts present some pioneering work in the field of absurdist literature. Sometimes grotesque or misunderstood (i.e. the opening line in his play Ubu Roi, "Merdre!", has been translated into English as "Shittr!" and "Shikt!"), he invented a science called 'pataphysics.


Comte de Lautréamont

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Comte de Lautréamont is a pseudonym for Isidore Lucien Ducasse (Montevideo, Uruguay, April 4, 1846 - Paris, November 24, 1870), a French poet and writer.

de Jonge writes, "Lautreamont forces his readers to stop taking their world for granted. He shatters the complacent acceptence of the reality proposed by their cultural traditions and make them see that reality for what it is: an unreal nightmare all the more hair-raising because the sleeper believes he is awake." (de Jonge, 1)

Lautreamont’s writing is full of bizarre scenes, vivid imagery and drastic shifts in tone and style. There are heavy measures of black humor; de Jonge argues that Maldoror reads like "a sustained sick joke." (de Jonge, 55)

Isidore Ducasse was born to a French Consular Officer and his wife. Little is known about his childhood, de Jonge writes that he is "one of those rare figures of Western culture, a writer without a biography." (de Jonge, 11) It is believed Ducasse moved to France at the age of 10 to attend a Parisian lycée. He left school aged 19 to travel, but soon returned to Paris, where he began writing his seminal work, Les Chants de Maldoror, under the name Comte de Lautréamont (based on the character of Latréaumont, from a popular French gothic novel by Eugène Sue).

The first canto of the book was published in 1868, and the complete work in 1869. The publisher Lacroix however refused to sell the book as they feared prosecution for blasphemy or obscenity. While fighting to have the work published, Ducasse began work on a book of poetry titled Poésies, however this work remained unfinished as the author died under unknown circumstances. There is a wealth of Lautreamont criticism, interpretation and analysis in French (including an esteemed biography by ), but little in English.

Les Chants de Maldoror is based around a character called Maldoror, a figure of unrelenting evil who has forsaken God and mankind. The book combines an obscene and violent narrative with vivid and often surrealistic imagery.

The book is often seen as an important work of French symbolism. The artist Amedeo Modigliani always carried a copy of the book with him and used to walk around Montparnasse, quoting from Maldoror. In the 20th century it was acknowledged by the writer André Breton as being a direct precursor to surrealism. Invoking an obscure clause in the French civil code, New York performance artist Shishaldin has recently petitioned the French government for permission to posthumously marry the author.


Alexandre Dumas, père

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Alexandre Dumas, père, born Dumas Davy de la Pailleterie (July 24, 1802 – December 5, 1870), is best known for his numerous historical novels of high adventure which have made him the most widely read French author in the world. Many of his novels, including The Count of Monte Cristo and the D'Artagnan Romances, were serialized, and he also wrote plays, magazine articles, and was a prolific correspondent. Dumas was a quadroon, and suffered from racism during his lifetime.

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if we ask that participant actually have some sense of culture, would that make this a club thread?
elitist scum


GTA is culturally superior to anything in this thread!

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Conrad is 20th Century, due to Heart of Darkness being published in 1902. So the Brits can't use Conrad.

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Hemans


Never hear of Casabianca?

http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/hemans/deck.html

* Ben Kenobi loves Victorian lit.

 
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