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Anything published up to 1914 should be included, that was the end of this particular peiod of european history


i know, "the long 19th century" To avoid quibbles about the start and end dates, i say we stick to 1800-1899.

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Mark Twain . It's a shame if some snobby lit person never read anything by him.

Poe is also very good as well.



Rules specified no Americans. We have to give the French a fighting chance.

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I've already said that since Wilde is Irish, he doesn't count!



To avoid quibbles, we've said that anyone who lived under the crown and wrote in English counted. Bascially all English language literature, minus the Americans. And for this purpose Henry James is an American, no matter how much time he spent in England.

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Nostromo says Heart was published in 1899.


1902. Besides that, wasn't he Ukranian?

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1902. Besides that, wasn't he Ukranian?


Wasnt he a naturalized British subject?

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1902. Besides that, wasn't he Ukranian?


web sources give both dates. I think it was published in serial form first, and perhaps that is the confusion.

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He was a Pole, and became a naturalized Brit as an adult. He became a rabid apologist of the British Empire, oddly enough (despite his objections to the Belgian variant).

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I am shocked, -shocked- to find that Wilde went unmentioned for so long. He really is an absolutely splendid writer, in all of the styles that he took up.

I really ought to read more of Hardy, and more of all of these authors, especially considering I'm an english major... *bows head shamefully*

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The Marquis de Sade published some works after 1800, although most of his oeuvre is from the 1700s.

Now THAT's a heavy hitter

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I am shocked, -shocked- to find that Wilde went unmentioned for so long. He really is an absolutely splendid writer, in all of the styles that he took up.

I really ought to read more of Hardy, and more of all of these authors, especially considering I'm an english major... *bows head shamefully*




Wilde was Irish, for the third time ...

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... and thus he counts by the rules in the OP, duh.

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Wilde was Irish, for the third time ...


from the OP:

"To count as British, they have to live under the crown, and write in English - so Scots, Canadians, Aussie, yes, but no Americans. French can be from anywhere, as long as they write in French."

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I hate to let my side down, but Thomas Hardy's 'Trumpet Major' was the most tedious and excruciating book I ever read.

The best thing Thomas Hardy did was to not finish the job he was assigned at St Pancras cemetry in North London. When the railway was built he was tasked with moving many of the inhabitants and their stones. I'm not sure where the corpses went, but the headstones are still there - stacked round a tree whose roots have been entagled in them. It even more gothic than the St Pancras Station hotel.

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Well, James Joyce then. If we're allowed the Oirish the floodgates are opened

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- or was he 20th century? Either way, I'll get my coat ...

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Yes, 1920s I seem to remember.

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Ulysses is published just after the war I think, but Portrait of the Artist is pre war. But post 1900, I think.

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Bwahaha

Gerard de Nerval
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From Wikipedia: Gérard de Nerval (May 22, 1808 – January 26, 1855) was the nom-de-plume of the French poet, essayist and translator Gérard Labrunie, the most essentially Romantic among French poets.

You can't get any more spleenful, romantic, melancolic and pretentious than that:
# El Desdichado (Gérard de Nerval).

Je suis le ténébreux - le veuf, - l'inconsolé,
Le prince d'Aquitaine à la tour abolie;
Ma seule étoile est morte, - et mon luth constellé
Porte le soleil noir de la Mélancolie.

Dans la nuit du tombeau, toi qui m'as consolé,
Rends-moi le Pausilippe et la mer d'Italie,
La fleur qui plaisait tant à mon coeur désolé,
Et la treille où le pampre à la rose s'allie.

Suis-je Amour ou Phébus?... Lusignan ou Biron?
Mon front est rouge encor du baiser de la reine;
J'ai rêvé dans la grotte où nage la sirène...

Et j'ai deux fois vainqueur traversé l'Achéron:
Modulant tour à tour sur la lyre d'Orphée
Les soupirs de la sainte et les cris de la fée.





"I met a traveller from an antique land,

Who said--"Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

Stand in the desert....Near them, on the sand,

Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,

Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,

The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;

And on the pedestal, these words appear:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,

Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay

Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare

The lone and level sands stretch far away."



Owned.

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Ouch! Spiffor, I do believe that is game, set, and match

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Does Lord Dunsany count as a Brit?

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Ouch! Spiffor, I do believe that is game, set, and match


That's just because you don't understand French

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If we look only at the novelists, France is a clear winner, IMO.

But if we look at the poets, I'm not sure. There sure are heavyweights on both sides...

But nobody cares about poetry anyway. So even if British poetry wins, and if they do they don't pwn France, not with Rimbaud on their team, France wins the day. QED

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"I met a traveller from an antique land,

Who said--"Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

Stand in the desert....Near them, on the sand,

Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,

Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,

The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;

And on the pedestal, these words appear:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,

Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay

Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare

The lone and level sands stretch far away."



Owned.

Try harder. I understood every individual word. I can't do it with de Nerval's.

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Laz, your name will go down in the annals of CIVILIZATION!

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Promoting a gay icon !


I really like the Importance of Being Earnest. Maybe I'll get a chance to see a performance someday.

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Ah yes, Shelley, quite a man...went to my old college and was an outspoken atheist - quite something in that day and age...

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Now let's wrap this one up.

Bring on Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, Robert Louis Stevenson and Anthony Trollope!

The pro-French argument is somewhat hampered by the fact that the early part of the century is a bit of a culotural wasteland, as far as their output was concerned. Meanwhile the British hit the ground running with the Romantics in 1800 and never let up. There are a few big French hitters in Hugo and Flaubert, but they can't hold out against the onslaught.

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Now let's wrap this one up.

Bring on Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, Robert Louis Stevenson and Anthony Trollope!

You believe you can impress La France Eternelle with your amusing three-hit combo?

Just to entertain you by responding to your little jabs, here's Théophile Gautier, Lamartine and de Vigny!

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BTW

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