30-08-2005 01:18									#32
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Ronald Reagan

Just as usual for monument, I humbly suggest to avoid to use "great people" still in life or dead by less than 20 years something. It help to avoid flame war about historical relevance of people still not judged by the time.

My 2 eurocent.

	30-08-2005 01:30									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio IIRC some other guy from the other side of the US tried to patent the telephone the same day as Bell did, but he was a few hours late so he didn't get it

May I suggest you abandon that Bell myth?

In June 2002, Meucci was officially credited by the United States House of Representatives with the invention of the telephone, instead of Alexander Graham Bell

I'm linking Wikipedia, but you can find more searching around.

	30-08-2005 02:03									#34
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Sherman is a hero of the United States of America

I don't see any major changes from the Civ 3 leader lists.

What are they going to do for science leaders for the other civs like Zulus or whatever... you know, the little African civs that didn't invent anything? or the mongols... are they even in the game?

i'm so confused

i liked the brown people in togas from civ1

	30-08-2005 02:04									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith Just as usual for monument, I humbly suggest to avoid to use "great people" still in life or dead by less than 20 years something. It help to avoid flame war about historical relevance of people still not judged by the time. My 2 eurocent.

OK how about Colin Powell then

	30-08-2005 15:45									#36
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If were talking about "Great People" (these Golden Age triggering things that come in 5 flavors) we shouldn't include Leaders like Reagan. For one theirs obvosly going to be a desire by many poly members to Mod Reagan as a Civ Leader a much more apropriate role regardless of your opinion of him.

Any historical figure who was a major leader should be excluded from consideration even if their other achivments would constitue grounds for being a Great Person. For Example Ulyses S. Grant wouldn't be included because he later became President.

Some idea of my own

Robert E Lee
Erwin Rommel
Admiral Yamamoto
Martan Luther King Jr.
Admiral Nelson
Hanibal

	30-08-2005 17:09									#37
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May I humbly suggest to consider the Barry Caudill's open letter about Great People?

quote: There are five types of Great People in the game: Artists, Engineers, Merchants, Prophets, and Scientists.

Now I see that many of the suggested Greats where, in fact, *military commander*.
A few, like Leonardo da Vinci, can fit both in Artist and Scientist category (and Engineer is a close call, too).

So any suggestion we wrote should be followed by the fitting category, just to clarify.

e.g. - Ronald Regan - Artist

	30-08-2005 23:19									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Dis but we would have won ww3 at that point. . We could have kicked the communists ass. . JK, the chinese were actually kicking our ass. It's scary poorly equipped chinese troops manhandled our troops so easily. But with the aid of nukes, we could have done won.

I don´t think the soviets would´ve stood on the sidelines and watched if the americans dropped the bomb again. Thus WWIII would´ve started. And no one can win a nuclear war

	31-08-2005 02:09									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg And no one can win a nuclear war

I agree 100%

There is that silly idea, still alive after 60 years, that nuclearizing anything is THE solution. IIRC is mentioned as a phase of the life of a child to believe that anything is not of our satisfaction must be erased from our life. Or maybe is our young bad imprinting of a mix of cartoon from Japan and video games.

From the time of "torture scene" in SMAC, I suggested to better underline during the game how devastating is a war.
A smoking ruin screen, a small summarize of casualties and economic loss after any few turns of war, could better help us to feel where the game is at border with nasty reality.

Anyone need to remember what did a single bomb on Nagasaki? Then look at http://www.exploratorium.edu/nagasa.../journey16.html

I'm tired and sick of "Must use the bomb!" cry. Go to browse there and think twice. Please.

	31-08-2005 02:18									#40
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but the soviets did not have many bombs in 1950. They had just "acquired" it.

of course, we did not have many bombs either. We were still perfecting enriching techniques I'm sure. It took years to accumulate the materials to build 3 bombs by 1945.

	31-08-2005 02:32									#41
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Possible Malian great people:

Scientist: Ahmed Baba.
Philosopher and religious scholar, his work focused on the promotion of scientific behaviour instead of blind faith. He was a renowned teacher at Timbuktu's Sankore university.

Artist: Salif Keita.
Current day's artist, he's probably the most famous Malian singer abroad. Generally speaking, Mali had a large artist caste (every noble had an artist attached to him), but there aren't too many names that are famous.

Engineer: Abu-Ishaq Ibrahim-es-Saheli
While he's not a native Malian (he's from Muslim Andalusia), he is mostly famous for his achievements in Mali. He introduced new architectural ideas and strongly affected Malian urbanism for centuries to come. It's under his guidance that several of Timbuktu's most famous buildings were built.

Tycoon: I must say I have absolutely no idea

Last edited by Spiffor on 31-08-2005 at 02:55

	31-08-2005 03:01									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex Nobel

Sweden (or the Vikings) isn't in the game though, so I don't see him as a potential Great Person.

	31-08-2005 19:36									#43
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Alot of "Great Persons" weren't born with the nationality of the nation they lived in when performing their "Great Acts".

	01-09-2005 00:14									#44
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esp. in regards to american "great acts". I already mentioned Tesla, who was born in Latvia or one of those nations in that region (can't remember the exact one). Einstein of course. There are too many examples to list them all.

	01-09-2005 00:33									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dis esp. in regards to american "great acts". I already mentioned Tesla, who was born in Latvia or one of those nations in that region (can't remember the exact one). Einstein of course. There are too many examples to list them all.

TESLA WAS SERBIAN!

	01-09-2005 00:44									#46
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Spiffor

good thought on a artist not beeing just a painter

so poets, dancers and many more ideas be artist too?

sorry no actors as artist

do you think we will get that kind ofd thought in the game?

	01-09-2005 00:47									#47
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Sava, actually he was born in Croatia

	01-09-2005 00:57									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg Sava, actually he was born in Croatia

yes croatia. Just looked it up. But he did have serbian parents.

	01-09-2005 01:22									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Dis yes croatia. Just looked it up. But he did have serbian parents.

On the same line of thinking, Cristoforo Colombo was italian (but discovered America sailing for Portugal).

Marco Polo was italian too, but this summer I spent my holiday in Croatia, and a Croatian turistic guide claim Marco Polo's family origin was from a town that now is inside the territory of Croatia

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Columbus sailed for Portugal?????????????

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	01-09-2005 03:12									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith On the same line of thinking, Cristoforo Colombo was italian (but discovered America sailing for Portugal).

Don't you mean he sailed for Spain?

	01-09-2005 03:34									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith On the same line of thinking, Cristoforo Colombo was italian (but discovered America sailing for Portugal). Marco Polo was italian too, but this summer I spent my holiday in Croatia, and a Croatian turistic guide claim Marco Polo's family origin was from a town that now is inside the territory of Croatia

Yeah they say Marco Polo was born in Korcula. They even have his house there. I don't know if they claim that he was ethnically Croatian though.

oh and as we all of course know, colombus didn't discover america - leif ericsson did

	01-09-2005 04:07									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf oh and as we all of course know, colombus didn't discover america - leif ericsson did

Wasn't it the Native Americans who discovered it?

	01-09-2005 14:30									#55
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Columbus sailed for Portugal?

Sorry I was out of my mind! I mixed the early proposal of the exploration he did to the king of Portugal and the voyage he did for the Spain), then I reduced the lenght of my post before sending it and cutted it wrong.
Thanks for pointing out my stupid words!

	01-09-2005 14:34									#56
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quote: Originally posted by LordShiva Wasn't it the Native Americans who discovered it?

No, they are born and grown up on it.

	01-09-2005 15:58									#57
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quote: Originally posted by LordShiva Wasn't it the Native Americans who discovered it?

yeah I'm native american. just kidding. I'm only 1/8 native american. I just like to be a minority. . I'm really mostly english, french, and german.

	02-09-2005 10:38									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex Spiffor good thought on a artist not beeing just a painter so poets, dancers and many more ideas be artist too? sorry no actors as artist do you think we will get that kind ofd thought in the game?

Why dancers as great artists, but not actors?

I think anybody from the arts community could qualify as long as they were good enough. That includes any writers (including poets), actors, painters, sculpters, playwrights, and, yes, dancers. But not graphic designers.

And philosophers could count as great scientists (?)
Explorers could count as great merchants (??)
And any great religious figures (like Mother Teresa) could be part of the 'great prophet' club, IMO.

	02-09-2005 13:55									#59
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I think art is overrated.

	02-09-2005 16:22									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Dis I think art is overrated.