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Are the Great People even nation-specific as people here seem to assume? In the Gamespot/IGN videos the Chinese are seen with Great Leaders like Imhotep and Pytheas (and I think Virgil too), as well as Xi Ling Shi and Ling Lun. Of course, those games are preped specficially to show to the press, not everything in them has to be accurate (there've been several videos where there are UUs (Immortal, Cho Ko Nu) as barbarians or where even the human player was barbarian).

There's a shot where it's much easier to read but I can't find that one easily: Chinese Pytheas.

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I'm serious. How exactly has michealangelo or Picasso really affected my life?

I think art came out of humans having more spare time for leisurely activities.

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I'm serious. How exactly has michealangelo or Picasso really affected my life?

I think art came out of humans having more spare time for leisurely activities.


Your life?
Well, I have no idea...

However...
Michelangelo affected your life for sure. He painted the ceiling of Sistine Chapel.

But my life is pretty affected by them (and many others, not only painters), because I am an artist, after all. Art actually puts bread on my table.

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I'm serious. How exactly has michealangelo or Picasso really affected my life?

I think art came out of humans having more spare time for leisurely activities.


Different arts and artists affect different people's lifes. Ever saw a movie or TV show? Read a comic? Listened to music? Although some people would beg to differ, those are forms of art as well, and I'm sure you have your own favourite artists that you see as great and/or important figures in their particular form of art, even if they're not Michaelangelo or Picasso. I have my own person 'heros' (though hero's a big word) and they inspire me to creatively and otherwise develop myself, and I'm sure that goes for many people. Not everyone perhaps, but enough to have a significant impact on society...

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Different arts and artists affect different people's lifes. Ever saw a movie or TV show? Read a comic? Listened to music? Although some people would beg to differ, those are forms of art as well, and I'm sure you have your own favourite artists that you see as great and/or important figures in their particular form of art, even if they're not Michaelangelo or Picasso. I have my own person 'heros' (though hero's a big word) and they inspire me to creatively and otherwise develop myself, and I'm sure that goes for many people. Not everyone perhaps, but enough to have a significant impact on society...


yes music is my art. I love music.

Has it really made me happier? As that is the best way to express the effects of art in a civ game. Happiness.

But this implies people were not happy in the hunter gatherer times. Though you could ague they had cave art. As we've worked less and less hours to support ourselves. we have turned to ways to fill this boredom with art.

I won't argue art is important today. But I'm not sure I like a generic happiness bonus. But I admit I can't think of any other way to represent it. It also acts as a means to provide more jobs and increasing the economy.

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I'm serious. How exactly has michealangelo or Picasso really affected my life?

I think art came out of humans having more spare time for leisurely activities.



How would your world appear if not for artists devising single point perspective ?


Art has been an integral part of human activity since there has been recognisable human activity- 'leisure' doesn't come into it:

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DC also has it's place: short range power. (Including emergency radios that run on batteries)

More over, Edison invented the first movies.

The geneva convention is silent about taking and burning supplies and property.

In addition it does not apply to those seeking to overthrow an existing govt.

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Edison is waay overated. DC power sucks. I prefer Tesla.

And Sherman. Isn't he a war criminal? Blame him for the total war strategy other people used in later wars (such as ww2)

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Great Artists from a variety of Artistic Fields

The Beatles
BB King
Jimmy Buffett (ok I confess total personal bias here)
Bob Marley (again huge bias)

Stephen Speilberg
Humphry Bogart
Arnold Swartzeneiter
Bruce Cambell (this would be so hilarious)
Marlyn Monro

Ernest Hemingway
Mark Twain
Waldo Emerson
Fredrick Neitchze

Mahamad Ali (it might be a stretch to call boxing an art but I dont see ware else it could go, sports serve to entertain so they fuffill a similar roll in society despite being rather low-brow)

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Alfred Einstein


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Alfred Einstein






He meant Alfred E.(instein) Newman...

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IIRC, GePap is the local music critic here but he seems not to have noticed this, so I'll pre-empt.

There, actually, is a well-known Alfred Einstein, a man cursed with a name too similar to his (possibly) distant cousin. Here is a review of one of his books that probably won't strike a chord with those who don't love Mozart:

http://www.mozartproject.org/books/einstein.html

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Few writers are as qualified as Alfred Einstein to discuss the musical works of Mozart. Einstein is perhaps best known as the editor of the first thorough revision of the Köchel catalog: the third edition, published in 1936. "It was inevitable that in doing this I should arrive at new results, and it is perhaps understandable that in the end I have felt impelled to present these results not only in the dry form of a catalogue, but also in a more connected and personal one." So Einstein writes in the preface of Mozart, His Character, His Work, which followed in 1945.

Einstein's knowledge of music history, and the depth of his familiarity with Mozart's music in particular, means that he has something pertinent to say about almost everything Mozart composed. In that regard, this book is full of illuminating and thoughtful analysis. But in taking on Mozart's personal life, Einstein does not fare nearly as well. He is much too near his subject. His love of Mozart the musician clouds his view of Mozart the man.


It is unlikely that Platypus Rex was setting up for a snappy comeback, but you never know.

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Hmmm, a few thoughts.

Russian Great Artists:

Tchaikovsky, Borodin, Rimsky-Korsakov and Faberge.

German Great Artists:

Beethoven, JS Bach, GF Handel (though, technically, he did all of his best work in England), Ludwig Van Beethoven and WA Mozart, Brecht.

American Great Artists:

Whistler, Henri, Turner, Sargent, Tanner, Gerschwin, Bernstein, Lerner and Lowe, Rodgers and Hart (Rodgers and Hammerstein).

English Great Artists

Purcell, Grainger, Vaughn-Williams, Britten, Elgar, Blake, Bram Stoker, Mary Shelly.

Of course, thats just artists!

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Where does Sid fit in?

scientist or artist

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scientist or artist

Neither. Actually he's a merchant... Selling fourth time a game concept and his name for tens of dollars every box.

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Where does Sid fit in?

scientist or artist


Neither. Actually he's a merchant... Selling fourth time a game concept and his name for tens of dollars every box.






Velazquez had a grat studio, as well many, many others. The Rolling Stones make huge money, Lucien Freud is a rich man...
I can't make enough money with my art, but I will not deny the merit of who does...

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Neither. Actually he's a merchant... Selling fourth time a game concept and his name for tens of dollars every box.


Velazquez had a grat studio, as well many, many others. The Rolling Stones make huge money, Lucien Freud is a rich man...
I can't make enough money with my art, but I will not deny the merit of who does... [/QUOTE]


Yes, and Samuel Johnson wrote 'Rasselas' to be able to pay for his mother's funeral, and Shakespeare and Dickens were both working artists hoping to earn money from their writings.

I see nothing wrong in artists earning a living.

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Aro

Brigadeiros

Santos coffee

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I see nothing wrong in artists earning a living.

Well, me neither. I was joking, as my smilies testify.

That said, IMHO if your main activity change from "creating" art to "producing" or "selling" art, that's not an artist title anymore.
Shakespeare wrote a lot, also for earning a live, but he kept writing. If you were a great Admiral, then you retire and move to politic arena, you became an ex-Admiral (former Admiral)l, AFAIK.

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molly, do you know "Brigadeiros"?

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so there could/should be improvements like:

concert hall
school of art
dance hall

to help increase the odds of great pepole we are talking about

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I would say he is an artist (or is that Soren?). The merchant is the corporate publisher Take 2 Interactive who is fronting the money to Firaxis.

Just as with composers of the past who were backed by wealthy patrons.

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so there could/should be improvements like:

concert hall
school of art
dance hall

to help increase the odds of great pepole we are talking about


And temples, cathedrals, shrines for great prophets.
Libraries, universities, research labs for great scientists.
Marketplaces, banks, and stock exchanges for great merchants.

But what improvement(s) could/should increase the odds of a great engineer appearing?

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Defoe wrote his most famous novel so he could get his daughters married, but then the arty ones among you will probably call it blech.

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so there could/should be improvements like:

concert hall
school of art
dance hall

to help increase the odds of great pepole we are talking about


don't forget:

crack house
basement hallucinogen lab

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molly, do you know "Brigadeiros"?



Oh yes, yum yum.


I spent the eve of the millennium at a Brazilian party overlooking the Thames and witha view of the Dome in Greenwich, and we had a Brazilian barbecue, caipirinha and cachaca were served, there was Brazilian music and despite the winter weather, you could almost imagine yourself in Recife or Sao Paulo.


My friend from Sao Paulo, as well as playing the harpsichord and lecturing on Baroque music and dance and theatre makes killer brigadeiros- a moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips.


And I do love mellow Brazilian coffees- although I usually have a mixture of Santos with Java.


Brazil

Villa-Lobos

Astrud Gilberto


Xuxa

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I love Brigadeiros, too.
But I dont drink coffe anymore, since I quit cigarettes...

Btw, are you a musician? I mean, your knowledge and point of views about art is not so common...

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Military leaders for the Germans: Wallenstein, Blücher, Moltke, Manstein/Guderian/some WWII guy

Scientists: Heisenberg, Schrödinger, Einstein, Koch, Haber

Artists: Beethoven, Bach, Dürer, you tell me

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I love Brigadeiros, too.
But I dont drink coffe anymore, since I quit cigarettes...

Btw, are you a musician? I mean, your knowledge and point of views about art is not so common...



Not a musician, but I love music. I educated myself about art from an early age, but then I think if you're brought up a Catholic you get an unfair head start on many other people.


But then the Lutherans get Bach, the Muslims get Behzad, the Hindus have Khajuraho, et cetera, so it kind of all evens out in the end.


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My favourites include the Cranachs, Hans Baldung Grien, Albrecht Altdorfer, Max Ernst, I suppose you could include Holbein and Klee (Germanic, if not echt German), Grosz, Franz Marc, Kathe Kollwitz- oh, and a failed painter from Linz...


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oh, and a failed painter from Linz...




 
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