27-08-2005 23:06									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Mercator, is that her in your avatar?

His advice is tainted! He's trying to distract you so he can make off with his young new bride!

Obviously the only way to stop all this is to stop her using the internet, which is easy.

Simply tie her up and leave her in a cupboard under the stairs. Be sure to keep a cardboard cut-out of her, in case social services start peering in through the window.

	27-08-2005 23:07									#62
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Is she using what is supposed to be a teen only chat room? If so you should notify the room's moderator.

	27-08-2005 23:35									#63
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I'm 34. A few weeks ago, I was talking to a 13 year-old girl in a forum's chat room just like the one we have here. Who wants to call the police? Or shall we have a good old-fashioned tarring and feathering?

We were talking about The Cure, if anyone's interested. I recommended "Disintegration" to her.

	27-08-2005 23:39									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I'm 34. A few weeks ago, I was talking to a 13 year-old girl in a forum's chat room just like the one we have here. Who wants to call the police? Or shall we have a good old-fashioned tarring and feathering? We were talking about The Cure, if anyone's interested. I recommended "Disintegration" to her.

It's in those extra 6 years that the paedophile gene kicks in.

	28-08-2005 00:02									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I'm 34. A few weeks ago, I was talking to a 13 year-old girl in a forum's chat room just like the one we have here. Who wants to call the police? Or shall we have a good old-fashioned tarring and feathering? We were talking about The Cure, if anyone's interested. I recommended "Disintegration" to her.

Laz While I agree that there are some innocent conversations amongst older men and teen age girls, there are far more not innocent ones out in force today. Reason you call the police is cause they now have units that just investigate pc use and can track this fellow. If he is doing nothing wrong then nothing will happen to him. If he has another agenda that includes crimminal activity all over it then one predator is taken of the street. I hardly would see this as a tar and feathering.
Anther disturbing thought that was mentioned was the lack of parenting skills. It is harder to raise kids now days cause of the punishments handed out to todays children. When i was a kid and teen it was ok the whip your kids hell now days u do it u land in jail and have ur family investigated and children removed. The most popular technique of parenting older kids now days are of course love, threats and fear. Every one who has a teen has heard the pharse when talking to the their kids is " i know mom u dont need to keep on." Well unfortunatly time out dont work for the 10 and over crowd. For those who dont have teenagers or kids dont realize they dont come with a user manual.

	28-08-2005 00:08									#66
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quote: there are far more not innocent ones out in force today.

Link? Reference?

quote: Reason you call the police is cause they now have units that just investigate pc use and can track this fellow. If he is doing nothing wrong then nothing will happen to him.

Innocent before assumed guilty? That's like calling the police to the scene if you were sitting outside a shop. The police arrive and ask you intend to rob it .

	28-08-2005 00:20									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Laz While I agree that there are some innocent conversations amongst older men and teen age girls, there are far more not innocent ones out in force today.

How have you reached the conclusion that the majority of internet communications between adult men and juvenile girls are predatory paedophiliacal advances? This is hysteria.

	28-08-2005 00:21									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Link? Reference? Innocent before assumed guilty? That's like calling the police to the scene if you were sitting outside a shop. The police arrive and ask you intend to rob it .

I already gave you a refrence in this thread. I t has happened in my family and to a girl i work with i am sorry i didnt know i needed to scan and post the police reports.
And I am sorry most of the time you are arrested you are considered guility till you prove you are innocent.
Point in case, I was in a small accident two years ago. my car hydroplaned and spun out into the grass. Long story short the hiway patrol came out to help. He noticed a beer can on the floor board of the car he pushed me against the car slapped cuffs on me and told me i was under arrest for dwi. I was like wtf i hadnt had a drink at all. the can had been in the car for like six months any way i was taken to the jail and booked for dwi. When i get there the cop said i was drunk and on something cause i was wild eyed and ****. I was like dude my ****ing car just did a complete 360 in a hiway i am a little freaked but i aint drunk
got to the blow test way under the legal limit. Sob got me for open container. I spent the night in jail anyway Had to wait to see the judge.

	28-08-2005 00:24									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I'm 34. A few weeks ago, I was talking to a 13 year-old girl in a forum's chat room just like the one we have here. Who wants to call the police? Or shall we have a good old-fashioned tarring and feathering? We were talking about The Cure, if anyone's interested. I recommended "Disintegration" to her.

I'd call the police, but I'm too lazy to get your IP.

	28-08-2005 00:25									#70
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Your shop story makes no sense to me. This does happen if sombody sees the person acting suspicous, it happens all the time. the cops will come and investigate if you are just sitting there doing nothing wrong then what do you have to worry about

And i now see were lazz was ina forum like here he didnt go looking in a teen chat room so that makes a big difference. I have no idea what a 40 yo man or woman is doing in a teen chat roomset up for teens

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quote: I already gave you a refrence in this thread. I t has happened in my family and to a girl i work with i am sorry i didnt know i needed to scan and post the police reports.

It's an unfortunate incident but it does nothing to prove that the majority of conversations between 30-something men and 12/13 year old girls are inappropriate. That is what you said earlier:

"While I agree that there are some innocent conversations amongst older men and teen age girls, there are far more not innocent ones out in force today"

I would like to see some verification of that.

quote: Sob got me for open container. I spent the night in jail anyway Had to wait to see the judge.

That clearly must have sucked arse for you, but I made the point that you were advocating the assumption of guilt before the assumption of innocence wrt girls talking to older men. The very LEAST you need to even suggest that would be evidence that the majority of such conversations are of a sexual nature, hence my earlier request.

I would still not consider it enough to make it a police matter. I believe that the emphasis should be on parenting and making them give a **** about what their children do... as someone said information for the parents and the child is the key weapon. It would enable the child herself to identify a paedophile from someone offering advice on what CD to buy, and thus avoid the nonsensical witch-hunt that you seem to be suggesting.

	28-08-2005 00:31									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator Try to find out how she feels about/for him, what kind of relationship she has with him. Maybe you can ask if you can be with her when she talks to him, to meet the guy, so to speak.

I think that's a good idea, if you want to give her the idea you're a creep and/or control freak.


Unless you've got a dysfunctional family or something, I'd think getting the parents involved is the best thing to do. While teenage girls may not enjoy getting told what to do by their parents, they're generally more likely to repsect the parents' wisdom than that of a brother, I'd think.

	28-08-2005 00:37									#73
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quote: Your shop story makes no sense to me. This does happen if sombody sees the person acting suspicous, it happens all the time. the cops will come and investigate if you are just sitting there doing nothing wrong then what do you have to worry about [quote] That's quite sad actually... that would rarely happen in the UK, but then there isn't a firearm pandemic on the internet... [quote] And i now see were lazz was ina forum like here he didnt go looking in a teen chat room so that makes a big difference. I have no idea what a 40 yo man or woman is doing in a teen chat roomset up for teens

I don't recall reading that this girl in question was in a teens-only forum. If so, then yes a 40yo man present would be suspicious, but we all hear stories of such people pretending to be teenagers and if so here, how would she know he is older? That is another argument for more education given to the child.

That she knows he is older indicates to me that they are in a non-specific chatroom.

	28-08-2005 00:40									#74
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Whale boy i hardly think by my suggesting u call the police as a witch hunt. I see u have not even mention that i said to get the adults in the house involved and have them investigate what is going on. If they get no where with talking to the girl and informing her that what she is doing is potential dangerous then yes you need to get someone else involved and not just to hunt this guy down but to have a talk with the girl as another authority figure to educate her on the dangers of the computer. If you want to still consider me a witch hunter then that is fine there is nothing i can say that will change your mind. For your refrences and stuff all you have to do is watch the news cases such as these come on every day. Main point if this has not been or is not a probelm then explain to me why almost every law enforcement has a special until dealing with this issue and this issue anyway
The FBI has shaq the basketball player working in one of these programs posing as a 13 yo girl so dont tell me it has never been a problem.

	28-08-2005 00:42									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I'm 34. A few weeks ago, I was talking to a 13 year-old girl in a forum's chat room just like the one we have here. Who wants to call the police? Or shall we have a good old-fashioned tarring and feathering? We were talking about The Cure, if anyone's interested. I recommended "Disintegration" to her.

you sure it was a girl and not an FBI agent?

I'm convinced every "woman" on the internet is actually a guy. Sorry Mrs. Tuberski.

	28-08-2005 00:43									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist I think that's a good idea, if you want to give her the idea you're a creep and/or control freak.

Hmmm, well, I might have put that a bit awkwardly, but I think it mostly depends on how you do it.

The first thing to do wouldn't be to tell her what to do, but just to find out what exactly is going on. As a brother he can easily mention that he has seen her talk to older guys and ask what's going on. He'd probably get a pretty good feeling of whether she's hiding something or not and whether he should take it to their parents or not.

	28-08-2005 00:45									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Dis you sure it was a girl and not an FBI agent? I'm convinced every "woman" on the internet is actually a guy. Sorry Mrs. Tuberski.

Np dis. I am indeed a lady. I have been seen by a few polly posters and spoke to another on the phone

	28-08-2005 00:47									#78
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On Eventis, we regularily have interaction between a 30something and a 12 year old. Which police should I call?

	28-08-2005 00:51									#79
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really i have been to eventis i havent seen a 12 yo there hum course i havent seen the cyber sex thread there either.

	28-08-2005 00:55									#80
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quote: I see u have not even mention that i said to get the adults in the house involved and have them investigate what is going on.

My first (serious) post in this thread iirc.

quote: If they get no where with talking to the girl and informing her that what she is doing is potential dangerous then yes you need to get someone else involved and not just to hunt this guy down but to have a talk with the girl as another authority figure to educate her on the dangers of the computer.

WTF? Who pays the electricity bills in the household? Who most likely bought her the computer? Who's paying for the internet connection?

If any of my brothers got into that nonsense now, my dad would have absolutely no hesitation in removing the computer or cancelling the internet connection, and rightly so. I would adopt the same approach for any of my kids because parents do actually know better than their kids, and where that isn't the case, they should be educated... as seems to be the case here with parents ignorant of the danger.

quote: For your refrences and stuff all you have to do is watch the news cases such as these come on every day.

What I'm asking for is some kind of survey or study to test your hypothesis. You can quote as many individual cases as you like, but that only has value to prove that it can happen, which is not being disputed. Multiple news reports may be good for whipping up popular anger or convincing people that there is a problem of epidemic propertions, but it cuts no ice with me. I expect people like you to be able to properly back up their assertions.

quote: Main point if this has not been or is not a probelm then explain to me why almost every law enforcement has a special until dealing with this issue and this issue anyway

Hey chill out! No-one has doubted that there is a problem and a lot of crap goes on in chatrooms and people have been abused as a result of it. You don't seem to be able to say that the majority of older men talking to younger girls are paedophiles however, and that is why I am asking for such a reference to back up the claim that you made. It is that which dictates the common-sense course of action... of course common sense would also dictate strong parenting and not "holy sh|t, my kid's talking to Laz... CALL THE POLICE!!!".

Bare in mind of course that the popular frenzy about this makes it politically untenable for police forces not to have such units.

	28-08-2005 01:03									#81
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That's "holy sh|t, my kid's talking to Laz... light the torches and sharpen the pitchforks."

	28-08-2005 01:05									#82
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Your ideas of removing the computer from the house is fine but it doesnt always work if you have more then one person that uses that pc, the other users are being punished for something they didt do. Not to mention that alot of people have pcs today. If the teen cant do it at home what makes u think that they wont do it a friends house when your not around. Some parents are smarter then the kids but some arent. Fyi I didnt call the police when i caught the men in my kids buddy list. I caught them both cause they thought they were talking to him and said some explicit things that a teen girl would not say and i know casue i was a teen girl and wouldnt say this
I saved my kid from this its up to the other parents to save theirs

	28-08-2005 01:09									#83
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So password protect stuff. If she's a 1337 H3XX0R, then you may have a problem, but given that she seems to spend her internet time talking with weirdos, and not posting in threads like Whaleboy's "I want to build a computer", then I wouldn't be too concerned.

	28-08-2005 01:11									#84
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One other thing Id like to add Is for all of you guys with out kids claiming the witch hunt think about this. You can talk this talk now but you dont know what you will do once youactually have children of ur own. Its easy to talk when you dont have the kids. But I promise you your ideas and mentality will change. Right now its only hypothetical whenu have kids it becomes real. My job as a parent is to keep those kids safe and I will do what i have to, to make sure that nothing happens to them. You wanna call me witch hunter for protecting my kids then thats excatly what I am.

	28-08-2005 01:13									#85
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I've got two daughters.

	28-08-2005 01:15									#86
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quote: That's "holy sh|t, my kid's talking to Laz... light the torches and sharpen the pitchforks."

I've been bested

quote: Your ideas of removing the computer from the house is fine but it doesnt always work if you have more then one person that uses that pc, the other users are being punished for something they didt do. Not to mention that alot of people have pcs today. If the teen cant do it at home what makes u think that they wont do it a friends house when your not around.

Like DoY said, password protect it...deny her the use of the internet, it's not rocket science. I think it's a little far fetched for a girl to go round to her friends house to the specific end of getting sexual abused by a monitor. Good parents will always communicate with the parents of their kids friends in any case.

	28-08-2005 01:16									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I've got two daughters.

Ok are they old enough to be in chat rooms?? And is it ok ith you for a 40 yo man to be talking to them in a teen chat room. I am not talking a forum like u said you did i said chat room.

	28-08-2005 01:18									#88
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quote: I caught them both cause they thought they were talking to him and said some explicit things that a teen girl would not say and i know casue i was a teen girl and wouldnt say this

I hope for your son's sake that they in fact were paedophiles and not a pair of luscious bisexual nymphomaniacs.

quote: Its easy to talk when you dont have the kids. But I promise you your ideas and mentality will change. Right now its only hypothetical whenu have kids it becomes real. My job as a parent is to keep those kids safe and I will do what i have to, to make sure that nothing happens to them. You wanna call me witch hunter for protecting my kids then thats excatly what I am.

Laz has kids, and I have three younger brothers including a 13 year old and a 7 year old. There's a difference between looking out for the kids best interests in a calm, thought-out way, and getting all hysterical about it.

	28-08-2005 01:23									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Ok are they old enough to be in chat rooms?? And is it ok ith you for a 40 yo man to be talking to them in a teen chat room. I am not talking a forum like u said you did i said chat room.

Well the oldest is 5, so no.

And once again we have the assumption that the case in the header post was in a teen chat room. Now I assume that my kids will one day use public chat rooms, and will encounter adult men.

I'll be talking to them about protecting their safety and reporting any untoward behaviour they encounter. Then I'll trust them. I'd certainly trust them with most of the 40-something men I know on-line.

Then, if they tell me that someone has made paedophilian advances to them, I'd hunt the perpetrator down and pull out his spine.

	28-08-2005 01:35									#90
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quote: I hope for your son's sake that they in fact were paedophiles and not a pair of luscious bisexual nymphomaniacs.

I dont see how either of these are one better then the other, when it comes to my son.

WB I can almost guarntee if you care for ur brothers and they were harmed in any way u wont be as calm as u are now.

quote: I'll be talking to them about protecting their safety and reporting any untoward behaviour they encounter. Then I'll trust them. I'd certainly trust them with most of the 40-something men I know on-line.

You are under the assumption that ur teen will tell you everything. That doesnt happen in a lot of cases. Talking to a teen is like pulling teeth. You have to pull this crap out and most of the time all you have to go on is what they say and hope it is the truth.

quote: Then, if they tell me that someone has made paedophilian advances to them, I'd hunt the perpetrator down and pull out his spine.

ahh i see this is where it becomes a witch hunt when it happens to you.