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Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- For thousands of this city's poor, homeless and frail, just getting into the massive Louisiana Superdome and hunkering down was the hardest part.By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer

The sickest among them didn't flee the 160-mph wrath of Hurricane Katrina on Sunday as much as they hobbled to safety on crutches, canes and on stretchers. Others lined up for blocks, clutching meager belongings and crying children as National Guardsman searched them for guns, knives and drugs.

"We just took the necessities," said Michael Skipper, who pulled a wagon loaded with bags of clothes and a radio. "The good stuff -- the television and the furniture -- you just have to hope something's there when you get back. If it's not, you just start over."

Then Katrina's rain began, heavy and steady, drenching hundreds of people still outside, along with their bags of food and clothing.

Eventually, the searches were moved inside to the Superdome floor, where some people wrapped themselves in blankets and tried to sleep. In the designated medical area, people in wheelchairs lined the corridors. Hundreds of others sat on the loading docks, their possessions around them, waiting to be taken elsewhere.

Gen. Hunt Downer of the National Guard estimated 25,000 to 35,000 refugees were in the dome, though arena official Doug Thornton said it was closer to 9,000 in the stands, with more on the floor.

Mary Francis Brooks had been there since 7:30 a.m., just waiting to get in. "I don't think the storm can be much worse than the buildup here," she said. "This has been a nightmare."

New Orleans' most frail residents got priority for placement in the makeshift Superdome shelter, by far the most solid of the Big Easy's 10 refuges of last resort for the estimated 100,000 city residents who don't have the means, or strength to join a mandatory evacuation. By nightfall, an estimated 25,000 to 35,000 heeded the call.

The dome, with its bare floor and stadium seats, is likely to end up their home for the next few days as the hurricane hits and the region deals with its aftermath.

"They told us not to stay in our houses because it wasn't safe," said 76-year-old Victoria Young, who sat amid plastic bags and a metal walker. "It's not safe anywhere when you're in the shape we're in."

Curtis Cockran, 54, a diabetic who recently had hip surgery, sat in his wheelchair on a loading dock at the dome while nurses, emergency technicians and doctors attended to refugees' needs.

"I just want a place I can be quiet and left alone," he said. "I don't know if I'll have a place to go back to, but there's no reason to worry about that now. For the time being I just want to be safe."

More serious cases had to be taken to other cities in Louisiana for medical care.

"There are some conditions we just can't handle here," said Dr. Kevin Stephens, Sr., head of New Orleans' health department. "Like dialysis. We can't do that, and they'll be here three or four days, so they'll need it before then."

The 77,000-seat stadium, home to the NFL's New Orleans Saints, provided few comforts but at least had bathrooms for the refugees and food donated by several charities.

"They may be here for a while," said Gen. Ralph Lupin, the National Guardsman in charge of the shelter. "The electricity will be out after the storm; streets will be almost impassable. So once they get here, they'll have to stay for the duration."

Guardsmen made able-bodied people clasp their hands behind their backs while they patted them down, feeling the seams and hems of clothing, then ran metal detectors over them. The backpacks, suitcases and plastic grocery bags that held their belongings were searched.

Alice George, 76, a homeless woman wearing shorts and a T-shirt with the word "Love" on the front, was searched for almost 10 minutes. "They took my cigarettes and lighter," she said. "I guess I'll do without."


Joey Branson wasn't worried. The 42-year-old breezed through the search with just a fresh apple pie and a paperback mystery. "That's all I need," he said, smiling. "I'm set for the duration."


I can't believe they would bother to tie up the evacuation in order to search these folks. This is an evacuation, a humanitarian mission, not a criminal investigation.

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It's all part of the War on Terror, BK. Why do you hate America?

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Oh hell what did they think some of these old folks were hiding c4 in their diapers and wheelchairs??
What is able bodied not needing to hold on to the walker as there hands were being forced behind their backs or over their heads

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What, senior citizens can't be terrorists?

Ageism

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They need to ensure the safety of people INSIDE the refuge. Thousands of people, all in fright and despair, plus dangerous items equal recipe for violence and mass-panic. While it's easy for us to poo-poo on the notion of pat-down searches and whatnot, these people are just doing their job.

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the storm will be good...

it will clean all the piss and puke out of new orleans


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I love hurricanes!


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did you guys see the pic I posted in the Katrina thread of the people leaving New orleans?

the inbound highway had like 1 car... the outbound was packed...


Considering your first posts in the New Orleans thread, you can go f*ck yourself.

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Why are we even bothering to shelter them? F*ck 'em all. They made the choice to live there. Why are my tax dollars being spent on this bullsh*t?



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Taking someone's cigarettes during a time of crisis:

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Considering your first posts in the New Orleans thread, you can go f*ck yourself.
if I were that flexible... I would...

it would certainly be better than masturbation

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Trying to avert the outbreak of fire inside a building filled with tens of thousands of people surrounded by floodwaters:

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if I were that flexible... I would...

it would certainly be better than masturbation


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Trying to avert the outbreak of fire inside a building filled with tens of thousands of people surrounded by floodwaters:


I stand by what I said.

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I stand by what I said.


They can chew on their cigarettes. Tastes about the same, I'm sure.

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Hey sava, why don't you take that **** elsewhere? Your act is getting old fast.

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this is out freaking outrageous someof these fokls are 90 yo and they are being searched while seeking refuge what has the terroists got a pack with the elderly and crippled now days?.

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mrs tubes... no offense, but when I read what you type, you remind me of Don Vito from the show Viva La Bam on MTV... because you type exactly how he sounds.

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Oh wait i just remembered the old folks home down the road had a terroist survival meetin last week to bad i couldnt make it. This crap is ridcoulus and to think the bin ladden guy is still out there. But hey we are the people and frisking a 90 yo granny for that knife she might be hiding in here girddle is important

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mrs tubes... no offense, but when I read what you type, you remind me of Don Vito from the show Viva La Bam on MTV... because you type exactly how he sounds.

Ur gonna make a ****nig point right??

When u think of it get back to me

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I think you may have made it for him...

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Yeah, but I think making sure you get all the folks safely inside is more important than searching everyone. If someone tries to start trouble, they can deal with that person then and there rather than holding up the entire line. And anyone who does try to start trouble inside the dome should just be tossed outside, it's senseless to bring knives and that inside and make trouble if they are rescuing you.

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actually, according to the nytimes, this guy was detained in Gitmo...

he might be an old terrorist...

but I dunno if he's gonna be flying any 747's into any buildings

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I think you may have made it for him...

Uhh joncha it isnt really anything new that i type worth crap i have been here for 8 months now. Gee oww that freaking hurt, guess i need to crawl off and cry like a girl eh? If it pleases the crowd then ill go away not that i need yalls permission

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Having been to New Orleans I can say that searching people for weapons isn't a bad idea. It's a very dangerous town.

HOwever searching 76 year old homeless women for 10 minutes is just plain stupid.

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Uhh joncha it isnt really anything new that i type worth crap i have been here for 8 months now. Gee oww that freaking hurt, guess i need to crawl off and cry like a girl eh? If it pleases the crowd then ill go away not that i need yalls permission
it wasn't meant as an insult or anything mrs tubes... I like you...

it was just an observation

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The main concern I think is when some people's rations run out, they don't want them to have the means to prey on others.

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Yeah, but I think making sure you get all the folks safely inside is more important than searching everyone. If someone tries to start trouble, they can deal with that person then and there rather than holding up the entire line. And anyone who does try to start trouble inside the dome should just be tossed outside, it's senseless to bring knives and that inside and make trouble if they are rescuing you.


You'd be suprised how many people think anytime and anyplace is a good time and place to bring weapons. Further, the people bringing this stuff in might not mean to use them, but someone around them might decide to take those items and use them for themselves. It's a crappy situation all around, but like I said these folks are just trying to do their job in ensuring the safety of the refugees.

 
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