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looting is looting no matter whats taken 14 17.28%
its ok if its food or water and your situation is desperate 61 75.31%
i don't know 1 1.23%
banana... well someone will complain if theres is no banana option 5 6.17%
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Whoha is offline Whoha
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"Children's Hospital under siege

Tuesday, 11:45 p.m.

Late Tuesday, Gov. Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher described a disturbing scene unfolding in uptown New Orleans, where looters were trying to break into Children's Hospital.

Bottcher said the director of the hospital fears for the safety of the staff and the 100 kids inside the hospital. The director said the hospital is locked, but that the looters were trying to break in and had gathered outside the facility.

The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond.

Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond. "

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breaki..._08.html#075290

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But looting is an honorable practice and should be condoned by the authorities, Whoha.

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I wonder if these people were ever truly civilized? Perhaps they were just being held back by fear of the law rather than civic pride or responsibility. Take away the fear and you have anarchy. I firmly believe that if this happened in Oregon it would happen without the barbarism.


If you keep kicking a dog what do you think will happen when you take off the leash?

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"Children's Hospital under siege


That's what I was most afraid of. Lawless gangs carving out pieces of territory to establish their own order.

It's entirely possible that those TVs, etc. can become barter goods in a new black market.

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If your family is starving, you're gonna steal food. But you still owe the person you stole from...pay them asap. In this case, I'd keep track of the stuff I took and pay the people when they came back to work on their store. Hell, I'd help them rebuild. There wont be a shortage of jobs in that area for a few years once the money starts flowing in.

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"Children's Hospital under siege

Tuesday, 11:45 p.m.

Late Tuesday, Gov. Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher described a disturbing scene unfolding in uptown New Orleans, where looters were trying to break into Children's Hospital.

Bottcher said the director of the hospital fears for the safety of the staff and the 100 kids inside the hospital. The director said the hospital is locked, but that the looters were trying to break in and had gathered outside the facility.

The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond.

Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond. "

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breaki..._08.html#075290


Classify them as terrorists and take 'em out

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The director has sought help from the police, but, due to rising flood waters, police have not been able to respond.

Bottcher said Blanco has been told of the situation and has informed the National Guard. However, Bottcher said, the National Guard has also been unable to respond. "


Your safety dpends on you, arm thyself.

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If your family is starving, you're gonna steal food. But you still owe the person you stole from...pay them asap. In this case, I'd keep track of the stuff I took and pay the people when they came back to work on their store. Hell, I'd help them rebuild. There wont be a shortage of jobs in that area for a few years once the money starts flowing in.


I find myself in agreement with Berzerker.

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That's what I was most afraid of. Lawless gangs carving out pieces of territory to establish their own order.

It's entirely possible that those TVs, etc. can become barter goods in a new black market.


They are the new entrepeneurs. The government should not interfere with new free market dynamics that are emerging in New Orleans.

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Trying to break in and loot a children's hospital full of kids. Hmm.

****ing animals.

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Classify them as terrorists and take 'em out


Agreed.

A Children's Hospital? Absolutely ****ing shameless. The worst human scum.

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Aren't you a pediatrician?

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Yes.

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Here's some interesting grist for this thread's mill,

Salon reported today that the Blogisphere is up in arms over two photos that appeared on Yahoo News. One, showing a black guy waist deep in water carrying food, describes him as having looted a grocery store; the other, showing a white guy waist deep in water, describes him as having found food.



I know, I know: Blogs. I know, I know: Salon. But...

I was just watching CNN, and they were doing a news story on looting. And, my hand to God, this is how it was edited:

VOICEOVER: Looting in New Orleans, blah blah blah
IMAGE: Black people with food supplies

VOICEOVER: Of course, some people are just taking what they need to survive...
IMAGE: White woman with food supplies

VOICEOVER: Still, police have orders to shoot looters on sight blah blah blah
IMAGE: Black people with food supplies



I swear I'm not making that up. So there's your answer: it's looting when black folks do it.

Anyway, here's the Salon story, with relevant photos: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2...ersy/index.html

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If your family is starving, you're gonna steal food. But you still owe the person you stole from...pay them asap. In this case, I'd keep track of the stuff I took and pay the people when they came back to work on their store. Hell, I'd help them rebuild. There wont be a shortage of jobs in that area for a few years once the money starts flowing in.



I agree with teh Libertarian.


Normal rules of law and order don't apply in a situation like that.

Mrs. Tuberski is offline Mrs. Tuberski
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Here's some interesting grist for this thread's mill,

Salon reported today that the Blogisphere is up in arms over two photos that appeared on Yahoo News. One, showing a black guy waist deep in water carrying food, describes him as having looted a grocery store; the other, showing a white guy waist deep in water, describes him as having found food.



I know, I know: Blogs. I know, I know: Salon. But...

I was just watching CNN, and they were doing a news story on looting. And, my hand to God, this is how it was edited:

VOICEOVER: Looting in New Orleans, blah blah blah
IMAGE: Black people with food supplies

VOICEOVER: Of course, some people are just taking what they need to survive...
IMAGE: White woman with food supplies

VOICEOVER: Still, police have orders to shoot looters on sight blah blah blah
IMAGE: Black people with food supplies



I swear I'm not making that up. So there's your answer: it's looting when black folks do it.

Anyway, here's the Salon story, with relevant photos: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2...ersy/index.html

I dont care if the folks are purple, they are all looting. Everyone wants to cry racism when it comes to this. Most folks like myself dont care what the idiot reporting is saying if pics are involved. The whites and blacks are all looting. And now are terrorizing the ravaged city which is just as bad.

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I dont care if the folks are purple, they are all looting. Everyone wants to cry racism when it comes to this. Most folks like myself dont care what the idiot reporting is saying if pics are involved. The whites and blacks are all looting. And now are terrorizing the ravaged city which is just as bad.


Well, Mrs. T, I may not agree, but at least you're a more unbiased observer than CNN.

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I dont care if the folks are purple, they are all looting. Everyone wants to cry racism when it comes to this. Most folks like myself dont care what the idiot reporting is saying if pics are involved. The whites and blacks are all looting. And now are terrorizing the ravaged city which is just as bad.


You're missing the trees for the forest. The point of the previous observation isn't to show that looting should be okay, but rather that our supposedly un-racist society actually still is racist. Whites and Blacks doing the exact same thing, but the Blacks are committing a crime, the whites are "just trying to survive." BTW, this is how Black people are treated all the time.

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Normal rules of law and order don't apply in a situation like that.


They should. The problem is not that these people have abandoned law and order, but that law and order have abandoned them.

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They should. The problem is not that these people have abandoned law and order, but that law and order have abandoned them.


What a crock of ****!

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You're missing the trees for the forest. The point of the previous observation isn't to show that looting should be okay, but rather that our supposedly un-racist society actually still is racist. Whites and Blacks doing the exact same thing, but the Blacks are committing a crime, the whites are "just trying to survive." BTW, this is how Black people are treated all the time.

Che The forest is made up of nothing but trees. I am sorry but once you have seen one tree and are surrounded by them they all are trees and look the same.

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You're missing the trees for the forest. The point of the previous observation isn't to show that looting should be okay, but rather that our supposedly un-racist society actually still is racist. Whites and Blacks doing the exact same thing, but the Blacks are committing a crime, the whites are "just trying to survive." BTW, this is how Black people are treated all the time.


You know, sometimes, it's just coincidence that things like Rufus' example happen.

What does it say about people, that they see something in there that may not have been intentional?

ACK!

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Che The forest is made up of nothing but trees. I am sorry but once you have seen one tree and are surrounded by them they all are trees and look the same.


Well, that's a problem when the trees are actually different.

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You know, sometimes, it's just coincidence that things like Rufus' example happen.

What does it say about people, that they see something in there that may not have been intentional?

ACK!


I actually think the instance of the photo captions is better explained by the fact that they came from 2 different news services -- one American, one European -- than by any racist conspiracy.

But the CNN footage? There's no such thing as "coincidental" editing, as anyone who's spent time in an editing room knows. Every choice is very deliberate. That's not to say that the people who edited the CNN piece weer consciously being racist. But the fact remains that, when they asked themselves, "what footage here says 'looting' to me?" they went with footage of black folks (who were not, in the footage, seen looting -- just carrying goods); and when those same editors asked themselves, "what footage here says 'just surviving' to me?" they went with the white woman. It may have been unconscious racism, but its still racism.

As for what it says about me? It says that I spent over ten years teaching media studies at the university level, and tend to have a sharper-than-average eye for this kind of thing.

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I actually think the instance of the photo captions is better explained by the fact that they came from 2 different news services -- one American, one European -- than by any racist conspiracy.

But the CNN footage? There's no such thing as "coincidental" editing, as anyone who's spent time in an editing room knows. Every choice is very deliberate. That's not to say that the people who edited the CNN piece weer consciously being racist. But the fact remains that, when they asked themselves, "what footage here says 'looting' to me?" they went with footage of black folks (who were not, in the footage, seen looting -- just carrying goods); and when those same editors asked themselves, "what footage here says 'just surviving' to me?" they went with the white woman. It may have been unconscious racism, but its still racism.

As for what it says about me? It says that I spent over ten years teaching media studies at the university level, and tend to have a sharper-than-average eye for this kind of thing.


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As for what it says about me? It says that I spent over ten years teaching media studies at the university level, and tend to have a sharper-than-average eye for this kind of thing.


No, it says that you're a commie liberal who hates America.

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It is for me.

Maybe you got it cached or something in your browser commie.

 
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