05-09-2005 21:02									#31
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You know Darsnan, I actually suspected the same based on same reasons.

If this is true, I hope that my fears about political correctness aren't true either.

	05-09-2005 22:30									#32
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So, it will be a time/quality race for a SMACX-cIV mod between Firaxis and Apolyton ?

	05-09-2005 23:16									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Illuminatus You know Darsnan, I actually suspected the same based on same reasons.

I did an E-Bay search today: a copy of SMAC and SMAX going for $64 US. Another reason Firaxis might think this is the best $trategy....

quote: Originally posted by Illuminatus If this is true, I hope that my fears about political correctness aren't true either.

The Academician's private residences shall remain off-limits to
the [STRIKE] PC Police [/STRIKE] Genetic Inspectors. We possess no retroviral capability, we are not researching retroviral engineering, and we shall not allow this Council to violate faction privileges in the name of this ridiculous witch hunt!"

If the game is as modable as we have been led to believe, why it shouldn't be too hard to smuggle a few samples of "chemical X" into the game.....

D

	06-09-2005 00:14									#34
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and sugar and spice and everything nice?

	06-09-2005 02:26									#35
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Nukes and Busters, you mean?

	06-09-2005 03:05									#36
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chemical x+sugar+spice+everything nice= ...

although ill understand if you cant make the connect.just a lil joke

	06-09-2005 05:37									#37
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Perhaps the following posts by Firaxian programmer Trip (in the "Vote for SMAC2 thread) are disguised hints:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...797#post3796797

quote: A SMAC mod is very possible.

and

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...828#post3796828

quote: All I'm going to say is that the modding is very powerful.

	06-09-2005 11:34									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Darsnan The Academician's private residences shall remain off-limits to the [Strike] PC Police [/Strike] Genetic Inspectors. We possess no retroviral capability, we are not researching retroviral engineering, and we shall not allow this Council to violate faction privileges in the name of this ridiculous witch hunt!" If the game is as modable as we have been led to believe, why it shouldn't be too hard to smuggle a few samples of "chemical X" into the game..... D

This is not what I meant. If they give it a try, one of my favorite factions, Believers shall probably be left out. If fundamentalism was left out of CivIII, what do you think it will happen to a fundamentalist faction?

Also, I would like all the old nasty stuff in, and even more. Potential of nanotechnology was never taken much into consideration - I want to combat xenofungus and other factions with grey goo.

	06-09-2005 16:13									#39
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Nano's should, once out of control, threaten the whole of Planet! (see Mars scenario )

	06-09-2005 16:20									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Illuminatus This is not what I meant. If they give it a try, one of my favorite factions, Believers shall probably be left out. If fundamentalism was left out of CivIII, what do you think it will happen to a fundamentalist faction?

I'd also read in one of the cIV threads that no atrocity weapons would be allowed into the game, so thats where I was coming from. Although not one of my (or most people's) favorite factions, why Miriam is still a "fundamental" part of the game....


D

	06-09-2005 18:36									#41
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Yeah, without her Bible thumping and attacking my photon wall defenders with laser weapons it would be just plain boring..

	07-09-2005 04:57									#42
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Atrocities firmly belong in the Civ/Alpha Centauri series. Evil must be an option. I'll mod it in if need be.

	07-09-2005 05:35									#43
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quote: Nano's should, once out of control, threaten the whole of Planet!

how about super powered nanotech andriods? building one heralds the end of the game for EVERYONE. or maybe im going off the deep end....



i want on minor civs,and at LEAST 32 AI player support. i want stop scripting till i get that in,if it isnt already.ill have a guy shove pizza's under the door from time to time if i have to im weak at c++ so ill have to learn more as i go.thats my faction specalty tho

im going to write some ideas down tonight i think...

one thing i want to incorperate,and this will be the main push of my 'mod' will be a living map. so there isnt 7 or 32 civs and all emptiness....roving bands of survivors,single state CP's and bases...pirates...


be some serious work here tho,guys,you do realize?

	07-09-2005 15:37									#44
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quote: nanotech andriods

I am afraid those two words are in conflict as IIRC "android" means a human-like robot.

Nanoplague would be fit, but it has a very good counterpart - EMP weapon.

	07-09-2005 15:38									#45
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The living map idea is good though!

	07-09-2005 17:47									#46
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someone in the civ forums proposed it. cant take credit...but it is the next big thing that has to be there for me.im sick of playing these games with 2 settlers and a huge empty landmass. basicly add a EUII spin to the game...

	07-09-2005 21:18									#47
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[OT]Why does everybody link nano technology with robots?? Nano technology is a very broad name. It covers everything that is man-made on nanometer scale. This ranges from very small logic building blocks to medicine. Maybe there has been a movie or serie that abused the name to refer to small robots or something? I really don't get it.[/OT]



Aside from that, an empty landmass is realistic. I can't imagine a very small group to survive on planet (let alone how they get there alive). As for the gameplay element, Firaxis tried to counter this with the fungus, mindworms, etc... in SMAC and the barbarians in Civ.

	07-09-2005 21:22									#48
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I did not link it with robots!
See my article bout nanoplague which is probably the best military use for nano.

	07-09-2005 21:30									#49
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Difficult to 'see' your article if no link to it is provided Bin.

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Sorry, misspelled, not an article, remark..

	07-09-2005 22:11									#51
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edit;in regards to the nano question

because people,unlike robots,are made up of impossibly complex systems. a robot could never could close to being like a human,but a anndriod,that mimics a humans build in every way,including the incredible small sizes of indivudual parts. nano means small,i think,so nano-tech just fits. and then it gets extended to andriods in the same way

and androids in sci fi are very similar to humans or having pervoiusly been humans,but upgraded.at least in the sci fi i see

heres the guy from my avatar for example

	07-09-2005 22:21									#52
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'Upgraded' humans are referred to as 'Cyborgs', at least in the scifi I read.

	07-09-2005 22:31									#53
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i mean way upgraded humans that arnt humans.cyborgs are upgraded to.but not as much as androids
well i just like dragonball so im titlted towards that anyhow

	08-09-2005 11:32									#54
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* Illuminatus says no to Dragonball in SMAC

	08-09-2005 12:05									#55
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quote: 'Upgraded' humans are referred to as 'Cyborgs', at least in the scifi I read.

SMAC human-upgrade timetable:
1.Soc Psych (increased knowledge on psychology)
2.BioGenetics (allows 'genetical' selection)
3.SOFTHB (furthermore, I guess the fundamentalism it allows is WAY above the one we have had thus far, trance as well - something of an enchanced hypnosis)
4.Cent Emp (allows empath skills)
5.Neural Amplifier (mechanical upgrade of senses)
6.BioEngineering (some fiddling with cells)
7.MMI (mechanical upgrade allowing direct brain-digital system link)
8.BioMachinery (first cellar level links between human and machine)
9.Homo Superior (human cells transformed into amalgam of nanotechnology - hence the 'nanohospital' and biology, also enchanced one)
...

So, 'Cyborg' is something starting in L5 of my timeline and ending at L8 where transition in a "NanoHuman" begins.
Nanohuman would then be L8 - ... (matter editation and some other things would provide further upgrades).

On the "..." levels:

Imagine a human able of:

1.being 100 times as tough as steel or flexible as water - MatterEditation on cellar level (nano + matter Edit), but that would be possible only after matter editation on laboratory level, thus not on L10 as matter editation is techwise, but probably on L11 or so.

2.lifting himself into space - Antigravity on cellar level (also likely to come some time after lab antigravity)

3.Breathing in space, erm sorry, he even't won't need to breed, because he's feeding from Quantum Power plants sized as small as mitochondrius in our cells.

etcetc

	08-09-2005 12:14									#56
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin SMAC human-upgrade timetable: 1.Soc Psych (increased knowledge on psychology) ...

You mean I read a book on psychology and it makes me a cyborg ???

	08-09-2005 12:31									#57
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quote: You mean I read a book on psychology and it makes me a cyborg ???

quote: So, 'Cyborg' is something starting in L5 of my timeline and ending at L8 where transition in a "NanoHuman" begins. Nanohuman would then be L8 - ... (matter editation and some other things would provide further upgrades).

Read, entire post, please.

	08-09-2005 14:42									#58
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Pretty much comprehensive, Bin.

	08-09-2005 14:54									#59
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Thanks.

I have been keen on sci-fi since 6 or 7 years' age and some time around 13 or 14 I realised I've read all sci-fi literature available in Latvia (be it library or store).
Quit reading some time ago as I noticed a repeating pattern in the newest sci-fi works, but the thinking remained and when I saw the SMAC tree it immediately attracted me by it's logic and how discoveries follow each other.

This tree is by far the most realistic future technology predicting thingie I've seen on regards to human evolution(if we can call it so).

I once read an article on MSNBC where those "Genetically improved humans" (Sometime around BioEngineering by SMAC timeline) where estimated thousand years in future!
I was amazed by plain stupidity and blindness of the author as figures like 'million years' also could be find there..

In fact NG is in it's starting stages with those machines for blind with direct picture input to brain from camera.
BioEng also seem to be not so far with this intensive "longevity gene" search going on.
MMI will be here and commonly used in some 15-20 yrs IMO and nanohumans will follow in 10-15 more yrs if nothing changes in the current tendency of research and overall human development.

	08-09-2005 15:27									#60
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We're even on the brink of 'nano-machines', if predictions of that space elevator are not too premature.