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And now we're starting to find out why FEMA has performed so badly. It seems that not only did their director was a political hack with no experience, but the same goes for the rest of the people high-up in FEMA:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/06/fema-deputies/

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The Chief of Staff is a guy named Patrick Rhode. He planned events for President Bush’s campaign. Rhode has no emergency management experience whatsoever.


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The Deputy Chief of Staff is Scott Morris. He was a press flak for Bush’s presidential campaign. Previously, he worked for the company that produced Bush’s campaign commercials. He also has no emergency management experience.

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This kind of spoils system is what leads to this sort of thing taking place:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050906...saster_response

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WASHINGTON - The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security employees to the region — and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.

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And just when you thought that the news of horrific incompetance can't get any worse, it does. Welcome to the Bush administration in which PR-needs trump all:

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3004197

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Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.
Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA.
On Monday, some firefighters stuck in the staging area at the Sheraton peeled off their FEMA-issued shirts and stuffed them in backpacks, saying they refuse to represent the federal agency.


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"They've got people here who are search-and-rescue certified, paramedics, haz-mat certified," said a Texas firefighter. "We're sitting in here having a sexual-harassment class while there are still [victims] in Louisiana who haven't been contacted yet."


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"It's a misallocation of resources. Completely,"


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But as specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.


Firefighters: useful as props....

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Hey, I just posted that exact thing in the thread where the political stuff is supposed to go...

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There's only one man who can save us from FEMA: JC Denton!




Actually, FEMA are the bad guys in the X-Files movie... I don't remember them being mentioned in Deus Ex.

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Yet another screw up by FEMA. They've rented three luxury cruiseliners for six months to house the evacuees. Not surprisingly, few people want to spend the next six months stuck on a boat on the water.

Katrina refugees sink cruise ship shelter plan
BY Dale Brazao
Toronto Star

Houston—They just weren't in the mood for a cruise — on ships going nowhere.

A plan to move 4,000 Hurricane Katrina refugees from temporary shelter in the Astrodome to a pair of cruise ships anchored in Galveston was dry-docked yesterday when none of the refugees would agree to trade their cots on the floor of the aging stadium for beds aboard the luxury ocean liners.

"I'm too busy trying to find the rest of my family members to even think about another move," said Tracy Youngblood, 28, as she stood in line outside the Reliant Center here to apply for emergency housing. "If after we get settled they want to give us a two-week cruise to Jamaica, I might be interested."

Red-faced officials now admit they misread the mood and "psychology" of the evacuees when they hatched the cruise ship plan, saying their intent was the safety and well-being of the evacuees.
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"Why would I wanna go on a ship of fools?" said Kimura Aubanks, when asked why he didn't snap up the offer of an air-conditioned room and three meals on board a luxury liner. "What I want, and what I need, is an apartment for me, my wife and my three kids, a job and a chance to make some money.

"If I was on my own, I might be tempted," said Aubanks, adding his home in the projects back in New Orleans is under seven metres of water. "A package of cigarettes a bottle of Hennessy and some time to groove and I'd be a happy man. But I gotta look after my babies."

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Just had a thought:
Anyone heard from JohnT? He and his family are still in Atlanta right?

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Yet another screw up by FEMA. They've rented three luxury cruiseliners for six months to house the evacuees. Not surprisingly, few people want to spend the next six months stuck on a boat on the water.


Excellent idea, can house up to 9,000 people with fresh water, hot water, shelter and food and while they are housing them they can move them to alternate locations.

Are you honestly critisizing them for this?

I guess we should send all the Navy ships home which have the ability to house 9,000 more.

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Red-faced officials now admit they misread the mood and "psychology" of the evacuees when they hatched the cruise ship plan, saying their intent was the safety and well-being of the evacuees.
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"Why would I wanna go on a ship of fools?" said Kimura Aubanks, when asked why he didn't snap up the offer of an air-conditioned room and three meals on board a luxury liner. "What I want, and what I need, is an apartment for me, my wife and my three kids, a job and a chance to make some money.


Something tells me refugees from Sudan or Aech province would be a little less whiny.

Freaking amazing.

So a week after a city leveling disaster you want a new job? How about a roof over your head, how about making sure your kids are fed?

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Yeah, the nerve of the guy for wanting to find a home and a job to take care of his family. Doesn't he realize he would be better off stuck on a ship living off the taxpayer's money.

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Yeah, the nerve of the guy for wanting to find a home and a job to take care of his family. Doesn't he realize he would be better off stuck on a ship living off the taxpayer's money.


Definelty something he should be worried about a week after the disaster, when several hundred thousand people are homeless, most living in auditoriums or tents. Another 10,000 without even that.

Or did I miss the part where they said that they would be on lock down, chained to benches pushing oars all day? What I did read was water, food, shelter and air conditioning.

He would be better off there than 90% of the rest of the peole who left that city, and still he *****es.

Amazing.

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I ... agree with Patroklos

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"A package of cigarettes a bottle of Hennessy and some time to groove and I'd be a happy man. But I gotta look after my babies."


I guess looking after you babies means a cot surrounded by 10,000 other people milling about bleachers in a sports stadium.

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Just had a thought:
Anyone heard from JohnT? He and his family are still in Atlanta right?


Knoxville, TN. He's been away from Poly for longer than the disaster.

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some folks are gonna get jobs right off the bat. I know that the railroads, for ex, are taking train crews from the flood damaged areas and offering them work in undamaged areas where trains are being rerouted. Ive heard of people who worked for retail chiand in NO being given jobs at branches of their chains in Baton Rouge, Houston, etc. And of employers looking for skilled workers among the evacuees. OTOH those who dont have immediate employment prospects are likely better off on the cruise ships.

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It's not like there won't be jobs where the ships are docked.

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If I was stuck in the stadium, I would welcome having my own room on a lux cruise ship. It is not like you would not be able to leave the ship and look for work.

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I saw on night line last night one bar in the French Quater that is open and full of people.

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I saw a lot of people *****in about the conditions... i didnt see anyone picking garbage up. bunch of lazy bastards. what do you think would have happened a 100 years ago. those people didnt roll over and die. they got off their lazy asses and helped themselfs. and a lack of food?!? bunch of fat lazy bastards at that! sorry - facts are facts.

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I saw a lot of people *****in about the conditions... i didnt see anyone picking garbage up. bunch of lazy bastards. what do you think would have happened a 100 years ago. those people didnt roll over and die. they got off their lazy asses and helped themselfs. and a lack of food?!? bunch of fat lazy bastards at that! sorry - facts are facts.


I do remember reading accounts of how the germans were already picking up the rubbles of their towns and separating the good stuff from the garbage while the allied tanks were still rolling through the place at the end of WW2.

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It is a little different when the rubble is 5 feet underwater.

It is just a completely different dynamic when we are talking about flooding on this level, whic is why alot of people here are having dificulty when when compare them to other hurricane disasters.

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I do remember reading accounts of how the germans were already picking up the rubbles of their towns and separating the good stuff from the garbage while the allied tanks were still rolling through the place at the end of WW2.


And ive heard of plenty of them being thoroughly disoriented.

There are thousands of folks from New Orleans and elsewhere in the region who ARE pulling there lives together. Evacuees who are already getting jobs in their new homes. Electrical workers restoring power. Grain is already being loaded at the grain elevators, over half of which are back in operation. Refineries are back in operation. Who do you think is doing all that, men from Mars?

The folks who are left in NO are, let me repeat NOT the most together elements of the population. And theyve gone through over a week of hell, the likes of which few of us have experienced.

Food, what the hell are they supposed to do for food? Go fishing in the contaminated waters? Hunt the rabid racoons? I mean cmon, there isnt any foraging to be done in the city. The best anyone can do in NO is to get out. Conditions are only slightly better in Biloxi, etc.

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I saw a lot of people *****in about the conditions... i didnt see anyone picking garbage up. .


The garbage may well be contamined with toxins, germs etc. Its better that they NOT pick it up. Like WTF good is that gonna do? The place isnt gonna be habitable for weeks, till the waters are drained, the utilities restored, and some level of serious environmental cleanup done. Picking up litter would be pointless. But im sure there are areas within walking distance of YOUR home, MWHC, where YOU could pick up some litter, and make a real difference

Have a nice day.

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This water they have there is downright deadly.

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The dire need to rid the drowned city of water could trigger fish kills and poison the delicate wetlands near New Orleans and the Gulf of Mexico at the mouth of the Mississippi. (Full story)

State and federal agencies have just begun water quality testing but environmental experts say the vile, stagnant chemical soup that sits in the streets of the city will contain traces of everything imaginable.

"Go home and identify all the chemicals in your house. It's a very long list," said Ivor van Heerden, head of a Louisiana State University center that studies the public health impacts of hurricanes.

"And that's just in a home. Imagine what's in an industrial plant," he said. "Or a sewage plant."

Gasoline, diesel, anti-freeze, bleach, human waste, acids, alcohols and a host of other substances must be washed out of homes, factories, refineries, hospitals and other buildings.


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Don't forget the bacteria. Last I heard the level is 45,000 times over the limit. 45,000 times.

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Chemical industries operating in a below-sea level region

Such things wouldn´t happen in the Netherlands, where people actually give a damn about building over nature

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Definelty something he should be worried about a week after the disaster, when several hundred thousand people are homeless, most living in auditoriums or tents. Another 10,000 without even that.

Or did I miss the part where they said that they would be on lock down, chained to benches pushing oars all day? What I did read was water, food, shelter and air conditioning.

He would be better off there than 90% of the rest of the peole who left that city, and still he *****es.





Here's a guy who wants to start putting his life together after a disaster and you're b!tching at him because he won't take a free handout.

You're whining that he's ungrateful for the help offered to him that he doesn't want.

You're angry because he wants to decide how to live his life rather than letting the government decide for him.

You're surprised that people who were forced to stay in the Superdome are reluctant to go on a ship where they would have no control over where it goes.

Amazing.

We have you whining about someone who wants to find a job and other posters complaining that the evacuees are lazy.

Truly amazing.

Maybe it is time for you to show some admiration for your fellow countrymen instead of insulting them.

 
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