05-09-2005 17:50									#151
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I mentioned it on another thread but I had knowledgable friends (ie live in the south and understand the threat of hurricanes) who went down to NO on that thursday night (when Katrina was headed west) and didnt hear about the threat and evacuation notice until sat night. Who watches TV in NO? I think a lot of tourists may have got caught by surprise and didnt have a way out of the city.

	05-09-2005 19:05									#152
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Shouldn't concierges be telling their guests something like that?

	05-09-2005 19:18									#153
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Shouldn't concierges be telling their guests something like that?

You'd think so, but apparently it didnt happen (at a very nice french-quarter hotel). Given the 24/7 attitude of many revelers, a sign in the lobby or message under the door might have been a good idea but then again it can be difficult to focus the eyes after a late night.

	05-09-2005 21:07									#154
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didnt cuba send doctors some years ago to central america after a hurricane? anybody remembers the year and name of the hurricane?

	05-09-2005 21:35									#155
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It was probably in the aftermath of Hurricane Mitch.

	06-09-2005 01:32									#156
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Picture from FOX.

	06-09-2005 02:50									#157
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Heh. This I'd never seen before...this excavator is literally poling up and down the canal on a barge, taking sandbags down to fill the levee break.

They're also showing shots of a 3-ft pipe pumping water out of the city.

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	06-09-2005 08:47									#158
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CNN is reporting that the New Orleans Police Department has lost 1/5 of its officers since the hurricane. Dozens have turned in their badges; others have simply walked away. I'm sure many are dead, victims of the flood or of outlaw ambushes. Two have committed suicide.

	06-09-2005 08:59									#159
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More disgraceful incompetance on the part of FEMA:

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470

quote: WASHINGTON D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), today urged all fire and emergency services departments not to respond to counties and states affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/n...serland&emc=rss

quote: When Wal-Mart sent three trailer trucks loaded with water, FEMA officials turned them away, he said. Agency workers prevented the Coast Guard from delivering 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel, and on Saturday they cut the parish's emergency communications line, leading the sheriff to restore it and post armed guards to protect it from FEMA, Mr. Broussard said.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

quote: As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

quote: 3:32 P.M. Ben Morris, Slidell mayor: We are still hampered by some of the most stupid, idiotic regulations by FEMA. They have turned away generators, we've heard that they've gone around seizing equipment from our contractors. If they do so, they'd better be armed because I'll be damned if I'm going to let them deprive our citizens. I'm pissed off, and tired of this horse$#@@."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ack=1&cset=true

quote: Frustration about the federal response to Hurricane Katrina has reached Chicago City Hall, as Mayor Richard Daley today noted a tepid response by federal officials to the city's offers of disaster aid. The city is willing to send hundreds of personnel, including firefighters and police, and dozens of vehicles to assist on the storm-battered Gulf Coast, but so far the Federal Emergency Management Agency has requested only a single tank truck, Daley said.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1...000e2511c8.html

quote: From Wal-Mart's satellite-based communications systems to FedEx's aircraft, US business has in some cases managed to provide a swifter response to the initial impact of hurricane Katrina than the federal and state authorities. But critics of the handling of the crisis by government agencies said they were slow in accepting offers of help.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

quote: Last night, one of my friends joined our regular Sunday chat. He had just come home from New Orleans with his group of volunteer firefighters from Houston, after they had waited outside New Orleans for since Tuesday for FEMA to let them help in New Orleans, or use them somewhere else in the stricken region. FEMA's "reason" -- they wouldn't let anyone in "until the National Guard has secured the city." The details of his experience are below the fold.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?..._id=68561&rfi=6

quote: The Associated Press displays daily images in newspapers and on Web sites featuring the dead lying on the ground or seated in chairs, with no one to tend to them. "USA Today talks about the body count and the things that are going on since it has been declared a national disaster area," he explained. "They won't let anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am not," he said. When a tragedy or disaster occurs in Arizona, trained, skilled people are allowed to help without Federal Emergency Management Agency certification, he said. "But when a national disaster is in effect, federal rules take over and FEMA would have to approve it," said Dudelston. "It's kind of sad people are being turned away, the minute they go into a federal situation, they just can't get in there," he said. "The problem is when something like this happens - when an area is declared a national disaster - you can't go in there. They don't know them (trained volunteers) from Adam, so they can't let them in," he said of federal officials.

	06-09-2005 15:28									#160
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	06-09-2005 16:07									#161
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But Bush says Michael Brown is doing a wonderful job so it must be true and the media must be lying.

NYT has a good story about two families affected by the flood.

It was moving day for the families of Gaynell Porretto and Tracy Jackson, the first page of the next chapter in their Hurricane Katrina horror stories.

Mrs. Porretto's four-car caravan crammed with a lifetime of photo albums, a few changes of clothes and coolers of drinks pulled up to a yellow house with a wide front porch that she had just rented for $600 in the humble hamlet of Arnaudville, La.

It is 125 miles from her storm-sacked home in the New Orleans suburb of Metairie, half the size for twice as many people, but she can see the church steeple from the yard, and her son is signed up for football at the nearby high school.

"I have a ZIP code!" she said, exulting. "It's the happiest I've ever been."

Outside the New Orleans airport here, Ms. Jackson's four sickly and hungry children, ages 1, 3, 5 and 7, were sprawled on a skycap's cart as she slogged through the sweaty, snail-like line, the baby atop a blue plastic bin filled with what they had scrounged from strangers.

It is all they have, their $2,000 cash savings burned up with their belongings - including birth certificates - in a post-flood fire at their apartment in uptown New Orleans. Even as they waited to board a plane, they did not know where they were taking it.

"I'm just hoping it's a better place," she whispered. "I've never been on an airplane before, I'm afraid of heights."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/n...l/05moving.html

	06-09-2005 20:22									#162
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Looks like it was a good thing that FEMA took such a long time in finding out and responding... had they heard of the storm before they hit, everyone would still be in the city right now.

	06-09-2005 23:52									#163
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Thanks for the link/quote collection Bosh

	06-09-2005 23:54									#164
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Analysis by BBC that seems fair: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4216508.stm

	07-09-2005 00:03									#165
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Ladies and Gentlemen- after a mere week they've sandbagged the levee.

May I humbly suggest that once the top 100 incompetents are identified, they should be taken out into the carpark for a really good kicking?

	07-09-2005 01:25									#166
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Sigh... ONE MORE TIME... can we stick to the news... and leave your OPINIONS and political comments for other threads...

	07-09-2005 01:27									#167
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Edit: quote from op-ed moved to this thread after I saw Ming's X-post.

http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...219#post3998671

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	07-09-2005 01:40									#168
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	07-09-2005 02:32									#169
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Rumor of Lousianna national guard mutiny in Iraq:

http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/865980.php

quote: This is a news item that is currently being 'independently' verified in Baghdad: "Reports are emanating from Iraqis who are working with the Americans, (both at the Baghdad International airport and in the Green Zone), of a mutiny that had occurred among the American soldiers against their officers. (emphasis added) Three days ago, one American soldier went into hysterics upon hearing of the death of the three members of his family in New Orleans. Corporal Nick Lancer shouted:"This is the curse of Iraq. My family paid for my crimes in Iraq. Send us back to help our families. God damn you Bush and Rumsfeld". Matters escalated when an officer tried, by force, to calm Lancer down. Lancer was then joined by other soldiers who started to beat the officer. The fighting escalated when other officers tried to intervene in the melee and the soldiers began attacking and hitting them with their riffle butts. This included the beating of Iraqi senior army officers who attempted to help the American officers. The soldiers were shouting:"You scoundrels. We will throw you out to the Resistance to kill you. It is because of you that we are getting killed here". At one point, one of the soldiers radioed other fellow soldiers, who were out on patrols, to stop their mission and to return quickly to join them." Mutiny among occupation soldiers September 2, 2005 (in Arabic). The specific location of the disturbance was not specified. Awaiting further confirmation.

	07-09-2005 02:35									#170
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Sounds like a stupid rumour. It's written in way that stinks of BS. The quotes especially, I keep imaging them all in posh British accent. Yes this is not news what I'm posting sorry, just had to say this sounds like a rumour, not news.

	07-09-2005 02:35									#171
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I'm going to doubt that story just based on the use of the word 'scoundrels.' Of the many military people I've known in my life, I can't think of one that would shout 'scoundrel' while in a mob beating somebody up. Got any other sources?...

	07-09-2005 02:54									#172
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I will add this, tho the rescue effort is slow, it is happening. We have word that in san antonio, we have 1/4 million evacuees tho this number seems quite hi this is what our news is reporting. I know of at least 25000 at an old af base and another 15000 at another location in the city. some of these foks have been located in the outskirts or sa. Red cross as settled 10 families in our apartment building and we are bout 30 minutes from san antonio. Seems the efforts are still moving along

	07-09-2005 03:19									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi I'm going to doubt that story just based on the use of the word 'scoundrels.' Of the many military people I've known in my life, I can't think of one that would shout 'scoundrel' while in a mob beating somebody up. Got any other sources?...

While I don't doubt that the story is likely false, keep in mind what was posted was an English translation of an Arabic story of an alleged event that took place in English. If it did happen, "scoundrel" is very likely an English translation of an Arabic approximation of a more apt English word.

	07-09-2005 03:22									#174
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Oh, I know, I just couldn't pass it up while I was asking about another source...

	07-09-2005 03:23									#175
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"The curse of Iraq, may family paid for my crimes in Iraq?" I'm sure scoundral was a translation of *sshole, but this other stuff just sounds made up.

	07-09-2005 03:39									#176
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I heard today that now only 60% of New Orleans is under water. So they are making good progress in pumping out the city at least.

	07-09-2005 05:36									#177
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quote: Originally posted by realpolitic Rumor of Lousianna national guard mutiny in Iraq:

ROTFLMAO!

:Wipes tear from eye:

All that was missing was the usual opening quote from the Quran "Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate,"

	07-09-2005 05:52									#178
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On 26 August (prior to landfall), the White House issued the following statement:

quote: Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn. Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding. Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...20050827-1.html

	07-09-2005 07:20									#179
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There's only one man who can save us from FEMA: JC Denton!

	07-09-2005 08:32									#180
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http://www.t-g.com/story/1116806.html

quote: "DMort is telling us to expect up to 40,000 bodies," Dan Buckner said, quoting officials with the Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team, a volunteer arm of Homeland Security.

Dear god.