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China evacuates 790,000 as typhoon slams into coast
September 2, 2005

China evacuated more than 790,000 people as powerful Typhoon Talim slammed into its east coast yesterday after barrelling across Taiwan, where it left three dead and dozens injured.

Talim was forecast to be the strongest storm to hit China this season and the observatory in Fujian province issued its highest-level alert, warning of potential landslides, flooding and widespread damage.

With a radius of 250 kilometres, Talim was packing centre winds of up to 144 kilometres per hour, according to the central weather bureau in Taiwan.

The China Meteorological Association said the storm made landfall at Putian city in Fujian late afternoon, bringing torrential rain and strong winds.

State television showed rising seas off the coast of Fujian as rains hammered coastal roads, but winds did not appear as strong as they were in Taiwan where three people died and 59 were injured on Wednesday and yesterday.

Nearly 500,000 people have been evacuated in Fujian and another 291,000 from neighbouring Zhejiang province, according to local officials, while some 30,000 fishing vessels returned to harbour.

Most flights from Fujian's capital Fuzhou were cancelled yesterday and schools province-wide have been ordered to close until Monday, state television said.

Talim is "probably the strongest typhoon China will experience in terms of wind this summer," said National Meteorological Centre expert Zhang Ling.

Wang Dongfa, head of Zhejiang's meteorological bureau, said they expect the typhoon to focus on Fujian but nevertheless warned of torrential rain to Wenzhou, Taizhou and Ningbo cities and surrounding areas.

East and south-east China are prone to typhoons and have been pummeled by dozens over the past 50 years.

Talim churned through Taiwan Wednesday but by late yesterday had largely left the island as it churned towards China.

Two men drowned in southern Tainan and northern Miaoli counties while a 60-year-old woman was hit by lightning in the southern Changhua county, the National Fire Agency said.

Offices, schools and financial markets closed in Taiwan, all domestic flights were cancelled and many trains and international air services were delayed.

An air raid drill slated for Friday in Taipei was postponed until next week.

Electricity was cut to 1.7 million homes but most were expected to be reconnected before the end of the day.

In Taichung, a bridge connecting Kukuan, a popular hot spring, was submerged by flash floods, prompting the evacuation of hundreds of tourists.

In the northeastern county of Ilan, powerful waves smashed into the port of Wushi which was closed by the authorities.

Among those injured were eight prisoners and a policeman, hurt when their van rammed a crash barrier.

In the capital, where the rain and winds were less severe than elsewhere, bars, karaoke lounges and restaurants were crowded as people took advantage of the national holiday declared as a result of Talim.

Most air and land traffic was expected to return to normal yesterday as the typhoon moved away.


Kinda speaks for itself.

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144 kph winds = 90 mph winds. That's a cat 2 hurricane. We had gusts that high in my neighborhood and my flimsy ass windows didn't even blow out. I'm rather unimpressed.

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I think the point being that China successfully evacuated all those people, whereas we did not.

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I suspect there were actually 800,000, with the other 10,000 having been summarily executed for disobeying the evacuation order.

Evacuation is a rather loose term anyway. It can be taken to mean literally anything involving some kind of human locomotion.

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I think the point being that China successfully evacuated all those people, whereas we did not.


Did I not read the article closely enough to see where it mentioned that everybody had been evacuated?

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BTW, it's strange that typhoon sounds more basically terrifying than hurricane.

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I think the point being that China successfully evacuated all those people, whereas we did not.


Cuba's evacuation system is far more impressive. I'm cutting the original email address.

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>From: xxxxxxx
Sent: Sep 1, 2005 9:13 PM
To: xxxxxxxx
Subject: how cuba does it

i just spoke to xxxxxx, a walking encyclopedia of knowledge about cuba, and asked him how civil defense is conducted in cuba. he ticked it off while i listened with my left hand and typed with my right. here are the notes i took:

* * *

less than 2 months ago, cuba was able to move 1.7 [million] people on short notice.

the whole civil defense is embedded in the community to begin with.

people know ahead of time where they are to go.

they come to your door and knock, and tell you, evacuation is coming, then they come and tell you, now.

if no electricity, they have runners who communicate from a headquarters to central locations what is to be done.

the country's leaders go on TV and take charge. but not only the leaders are speaking. the TV weatherpeople are knowledgeable. and the population is well educated about hurricanes.

they not only evacuate. it's arranged beforehand where they will go, who has family where. not only pickup is organized, delivery of people is organized.

merely sticking them in a stadium is unthinkable. shelters all have medical personnel, from the neighborhood. they have family doctors in cuba (!), who evacuate together with the neighborhood, and already know who, for example, needs insulin.

if they evacuate to a countryside high school -- a last resort -- they have dormitories there.

they also have veterinarians and they evacuate animals. they begin evacuating immediately, and also evacuate TV sets and refrigerators, so that people aren't relucatant to leave because people might steal their stuff.

it's not throwing money at the problem. it's not financial capital, it's social capital. the u.s. in this sense has zero social capital.

dealing with hurricanes in cuba, as compared with how it's done in the u.s., is similar to the differences in how they deal with medicine. it's not reactive; it's proactive. they act as early as possible. the u.s. doesn't have civil defense, it has civil *reaction.*

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Did I not read the article closely enough to see where it mentioned that everybody had been evacuated?

Let's see. 2.5million people in Putian alone. Evacuated about 500k from the entire provence. Yeah, I think they missed a couple.

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I think the point being that China successfully evacuated all those people, whereas we did not.


It's easy to evacuate people when you are a dictatorship. You can just yank people out of their homes by force if neccessary. You can't really do that under a democracry.

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Cuba's evacuation system is far more impressive. I'm cutting the original email address.

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less than 2 months ago, cuba was able to move 1.7 people on short notice.



Just out of curiosity - what 0.3 part of the second person moved are left behind ?

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I think he meant 1.7 million.

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Damn Chinese always one step behind us Americans.

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It's easy to evacuate people when you are a dictatorship. You can just yank people out of their homes by force if neccessary. You can't really do that under a democracry.


Oh, I don't disagree.

I just said what the point was. I don't think it's a particularly good point.

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Damn Chinese always one step behind us Americans.


So that's who's been following me.

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You can just yank people out of their homes by force if neccessary. You can't really do that under a democracry.


Why not? That's how we do it over here, if the water starts rising. That's what laws are for: in emergency situations the police has the authority to remove people from their homes, if they refuse to cooperate. Prevents situations where rescue workers later have to risk their lifes to save people stupid enough to stay behind, and it prevents lawless situations from being created, as is now the case in NO.

Of course, we've never had to evacuate a major city, but then again we also have far fewer resources available to organise such an evacuation.

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Evacuation plans.

Believe it or not, Cuba has always been way ahead of the US in terms of understanding hurricanes. They deal with them yearly and take much more of a hit than we do. I can't remember which hurricane it was, I believe it was the one that destroyed a famous Texas city south of Houston, dubbed the "New York of the Gulf" at the time. The Cuban weather service kept warning the Americans but the Americans in charge would not listen to them.


I like the responses in the thread saying bad things about China and Cuba because they are Commies and/or have a dictatorship (which has nothing to do with their evacuation effectiveness).

Reactionaries just have no courage to talk about the issue at hand without trying to bring some side distraction into the issue to try and minimize it.

It's a sad pattern that is getting really old.

Bottom line is that those countries evacuated effectively and we did not. We are the richest country on earth with the strongest military and there is absolutley NO EXCUSE for what happened.

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That would probably be the 1900 Galveston hurricane.

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Evacuation plans.

Believe it or not, Cuba has always been way ahead of the US in terms of understanding hurricanes. They deal with them yearly and take much more of a hit than we do. I can't remember which hurricane it was, I believe it was the one that destroyed a famous Texas city south of Houston, dubbed the "New York of the Gulf" at the time. The Cuban weather service kept warning the Americans but the Americans in charge would not listen to them.

I like the responses in the thread saying bad things about China and Cuba because they are Commies and/or have a dictatorship (which has nothing to do with their evacuation effectiveness).

Reactionaries just have no courage to talk about the issue at hand without trying to bring some side distraction into the issue to try and minimize it.

It's a sad pattern that is getting really old.

Bottom line is that those countries evacuated effectively and we did not. We are the richest country on earth with the strongest military and there is absolutley NO EXCUSE for what happened.


Same can be said of Puerto Rico too. I know someone in PR who has the same mindset. THey know hurricanes, and know how to respond to them very well and survive with few casualties.

That points to the fact that Cuba & PR are islands who encounter hurricanes a lot. Not that Cuba is communist and thus better able to deal.

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I call BS - It's not capitalism vs. communism - it's just that you americans suck.

Seriously, it's not like Hurricanes aren't occuring on your soil yearly, and it's not like any lessons learnt are kept secret. It's all there for you and your governments ( state and fed) to pick up, and utilize - however your governments don't care enough, it seems.

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That would probably be the 1900 Galveston hurricane.


That's the one.

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Evacuation plans.

Believe it or not, Cuba has always been way ahead of the US in terms of understanding hurricanes. They deal with them yearly and take much more of a hit than we do. I can't remember which hurricane it was, I believe it was the one that destroyed a famous Texas city south of Houston, dubbed the "New York of the Gulf" at the time. The Cuban weather service kept warning the Americans but the Americans in charge would not listen to them.


I like the responses in the thread saying bad things about China and Cuba because they are Commies and/or have a dictatorship (which has nothing to do with their evacuation effectiveness).

Reactionaries just have no courage to talk about the issue at hand without trying to bring some side distraction into the issue to try and minimize it.

It's a sad pattern that is getting really old.

Bottom line is that those countries evacuated effectively and we did not. We are the richest country on earth with the strongest military and there is absolutley NO EXCUSE for what happened.


It may infuriate you, but there was an eight year period where non-reactionaries had the power and they did what ?

I admit that since Bush is sitting in his second period, he could have done something, but claiming that last years cuts are to blame is just rediculous - it takes years to build up the nessecary facilities. To be true, the current disaster is at least to blame on Clinton because if it should have any effect it should have been started in his period of rule.

About your bottom line - there is a difference between those that are in habit of handling an reoccuring catastrophe and those that has to go 50 years or more to find a similiar. Those tahat are accustomed to it, are better prepared and understand why, but those that only have rumors from their greatgrandfathers will be quite reluctant to nessecary preparations.

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I call BS - It's not capitalism vs. communism - it's just that you americans suck.

Seriously, it's not like Hurricanes aren't occuring on your soil yearly, and it's not like any lessons learnt are kept secret. It's all there for you and your governments ( state and fed) to pick up, and utilize - however your governments don't care enough, it seems.


YEP

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