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SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
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UK not allowed to smile on passport photos?
Must look "natural" ?


(You know who you are, insert name), I think UK just outdid USA.


Congrats.

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Canada has the same rules, as do many other countries.

The US is the strange one here.

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If your from any other country, what reason do you have to smile?

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Asher, you're a w@nker.
Normal face? WTF is a normal face, and you find it acceptable that a government spend time and issues directives on not smiling?

If we're out of step, I prefer it.

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Because we understand what true freedom is, rather than theocratic oppression masquerading as freedom.

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If you smile, face recognition software may not work.

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Flowery language that when broken down to basics, means we need more straight jackets, please.

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quote:
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If you smile, face recognition software may not work.

ding ding

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exactly what techumseh said.

And it is the Americans who want to use more protective measures in passports so stop saying this is weird, this actually has meaning, safety issues, that you demanded .

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Grins banned from passport pics
Travellers have been ordered not to look too happy in their passport photographs to avoid confusing facial recognition scanners.

Toothy, open mouthed grins are being outlawed from the tiny 35mm by 45mm photographs because they will throw off scanners used at airports.

Long fringes and head coverings, are also banned, under the new regulations along with dummies in babies' mouths.

The new type of passports are being introduced in a bid to fight terrorism.

A Home Office spokesman said: "When the mouth is open it can make it difficult for facial recognition technology to work effectively."

The machines work by matching key points on the holder's face, such as the mouth and eyes, with the photograph.

'Neutral expression'

It is easier for it to recognise a neutral expression with the mouth closed.

Chief executive of the UK Passport Service (UKPS) Bernard Herdan said: "These new guidelines are an important step in the development of the new biometric ePassport and use of facial recognition technology that will be introduced in 2005 as part of the ongoing fight against fraud and international terrorism."

The UKPS is planning to implement a facial recognition image biometric in the British passport book from late 2005 to early 2006.

It is hoped the biometric image will help to counter identity fraud and verify the identity of the holder against the document.

The new rules say "photographs must show no shadows: your face looking straight at the camera, a neutral expression, with your mouth closed."

Head coverings

Eyes must be open and clearly visible, and there must be no sunglasses, tinted glasses or hair across the eyes, it adds.

Anyone who wears glasses must wear them at the end of their nose so they do not cover their eyes. They must also ensure the lenses do not produce reflections.

No head coverings are allowed unless they are worn for a religious belief.

The new photographic regulations are effective immediately but the Passport Service says it will exercise some flexibility until early 2005.

Existing passport holders will not need to have their current passports updated, but they will have to comply with the new guidelines when they renew their passports.

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I wonder how this works with folks that actually wear glasses and have contacts. If u go to have ur pic taken must you have one with them on and take out ur contacts and then put them back in for the same passport?? Seems to me a smile is more face defining then glasses or contacts go figure

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I think the ones who actually developed the technique and software knows the requirements for it to work properly. Sorry to rain in your party, but that's the way it goes. The good thing is, we don't have to think. They know.

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If you smile, face recognition software may not work.

WTF. I'm beginning to understand why the Brits are so paranois about their mandatory ID. It seems the British authorities do everything they can to make their IDs look like the über-restrictive thing, where nothing is allowed and where everything is forbidden or recorded

For the record, last time I renewed my ID, I said to the clerk I felt I had a astupid smile on my pic. "Why? You look like an actor" she replied Such little things give the impression that IDs are still about humans, not about processing ourselves into a huge and restrictive machine.

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Flowery language that when broken down to basics, means we need more straight jackets, please.


Does that mean you can't understand the long words?

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I still maintain it's a jackass directive. Face recognition attempt or not.
No wonder Brits are so many times thought to be dour.

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In neither Illinois nor Florida are we allowed to smile for our drivers' licenses.

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While in New York they just don't friggin' care.

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For the record, last time I renewed my ID, I said to the clerk I felt I had a astupid smile on my pic. "Why? You look like an actor" she replied Such little things give the impression that IDs are still about humans, not about processing ourselves into a huge and restrictive machine.


They are about processing you into a huge and restrictive machine.

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They are about processing you into a huge and restrictive machine.

Well duh. At leas, over here, we have a human facade before it.

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I know I'm sloww, but I still don't understand how mandating that, I'll pick a name at random, Mobius for instance, gets rid of glasses, takes out his false chompers, and removes toupee for a photo for his passport is going to solve anything.

SOMEONE please explain this to me.
What is the gain?

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That facial recognition software will work more efficiently.

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The purpose of passport photos is to identify the holder. So of course a neutral/normal expression is preferable. After all, few people walk around with a stupid grin on their face the whole time.

Government authorities deemed it necessary to advice people on how to get their photo taken for a government issued document. I don't see what the problem is.

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I really don't understand what the problem here is.

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Uhh...jinx

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I forgot I'm asking this in a room full of sour pusses.

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Sloww, sometimes I just don't understand you. If you need to get a government document then they have every right to ask that you conform to their standards (which are in place for obvious practical reasons).

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quote:
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I forgot I'm asking this in a room full of sour pusses.


You're a Texan dealing with sensible people. It's like a fish out of water.

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Ok, I get your point.
Now we don't have to work about terrorists with UK passports.
I know I'll sleep easier.

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Face recognition software sucks anyway.

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Face recognition software sucks anyway.


QFT

 
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